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Posted : 1/30/2007 3:12:54 PM

ORIGINAL: sillysally

Awsomedog, I notice that you didn't comment on any of the quotes by Diane Jessup. Interesting.

I comment on what i feel like commenting on.

Perhaps you just didn't want to respond to a real expert on the breed?

Oh, I'm sorry, and just what is it that makes her the only "real expert on the breed"?

I might be more convinced of your position that genetics plays no role in dog behavior if you, I don't know, had some proof.

And your proof would be???

Meanwhile, I think that you should go start this disscussion on pitbullforum.com. Go on, I dare you.

Really! LOL Do ya double dog dare me??? LOL

I think it is extremely unfortunate that this thread has gone downhill the way it has. Seriously, this could have been a good disscussion.

Yep, and your post added nothing of value to it.

sillysally

Posted : 1/30/2007 3:25:23 PM

For proof that genetics influences behavior one need look no further than the fact that there is selective breeding. There is a reason you don't take Newfoundlands fox hunting.

I have never seen anyone who knows this breed, I mean REALLY knows this breed say anything other than what Jessup has said. I'm talking reputable breeders, trainers, rescuers, etc.

Do you have any actual source for your beliefs, other than CM and your own thoughts, or are you just pulling this out of your butt?

sillysally

Posted : 1/30/2007 3:51:22 PM

You know what? I just realized something--it would be more productive to argue this point with my cat.

I'm done.

I'm off to go get ready for work (and maybe argue with the cat).

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/30/2007 11:32:17 PM

ORIGINAL: sillysally

Do you have any actual source for your beliefs, other than CM and your own thoughts, or are you just pulling this out of your butt?

1. What does Cesar have to do with my stance on pit bulls? And other than someones opinion, where's *your* "proof pits are "naturally born dog aggressive". Other than some others "theories" where's your "facts"? And as far as the "just pulling this out of your butt" comment goes. It just shows your every bit as rude as you *think* I am.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/30/2007 11:33:56 PM

ORIGINAL: sillysally

You know what? I just realized something--it would be more productive to argue this point with my cat.

I'm guessing you talk to your cat way more than, normal.

Deb

Posted : 1/31/2007 7:16:27 AM

Sillysally, I like the idea of having A-Dawg start this thread on a pit bull forum... That's a great idea.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/31/2007 8:47:25 AM

ORIGINAL: fisher6000

Sillysally, I like the idea of having A-Dawg start this thread on a pit bull forum... That's a great idea.

I like the idea of you two doing it. You two act like everything that's said on a breed specific site, is law. I've got news for you, it's not. Just like any other site there is good and bad information. But I didn't realize I had to point that out. Pit bull were bought up here, so I'll discuss them here. You on the other hand can feel free to stop debating the subject with me at any time.

Chuffy

Posted : 1/31/2007 1:44:13 PM

This thread got me thinking, in particular about the history of the breed and the impact that has on the temperament of the specimens around today. In my search to find more info on this, here are some examples of what I found. I have yet to find anything to refute the information re dog aggression that these sites offers, but my search continues...... Anyway, some people who are interested in the breed may find these links interesting.

[linkhttp://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2782]http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2782[/link]

[linkhttp://www.apbtconformation.com/temperament.htm]http://www.apbtconformation.com/temperament.htm[/link]

Now I'm backing off and abandoning the section again..... I popped back to see if it had calmed down and the answer was immediately apparent. (ie a resounding No) I think the mods should rename this "The Naughty Corner" Tssst! all of you![

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Awsomedog

Posted : 1/31/2007 1:47:17 PM

ORIGINAL: ChuffyI think the mods should rename this "The Naughty Corner" Tssst! all of you![]

Including you.[

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espencer

Posted : 1/31/2007 2:56:33 PM

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

This thread got me thinking, in particular about the history of the breed and the impact that has on the temperament of the specimens around today. In my search to find more info on this, here are some examples of what I found. I have yet to find anything to refute the information re dog aggression that these sites offers, but my search continues...... Anyway, some people who are interested in the breed may find these links interesting.

[linkhttp://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2782]http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2782[/link]

Wow i was in that forum for 5 minutes and my head hurts, they need a "CM area", it was like going to the past to the old i-dog forum [

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Xerxes

Posted : 1/31/2007 3:29:54 PM

Oh and is not genetic, ask Jamie the moderator and she will tell you

I believe it was Jaime the moderator, who posted about a friend of hers that showed amstaffs. The friend had 6, all crated and she left the house for short while. She returned and the dogs had escaped from their crates. Sadly 5/6 were dead when the friend returned. The 6th died later.

I won't put words into Jaime's mouth. But my two cents is that if the environment is managed carefully-the pitty or amstaff will not be given a chance to live up to it's infamy.

Simply put, management is the key when dealing with a dog that has a history of DA in it's breed.

I can imagine, in the story (second hand though it is) that if the dogs in question were beagles, or poodles, or labs, or many other breeds the results would have been messy but not as deadly.

Xerxes

Posted : 1/31/2007 4:29:38 PM

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Well it certainly wouldn't hurt if you actually picked up a book and did some real reseach. It beats just guessing.

APBT or pit bull
History: In the nineteenth century the English began crossing bulldogs and terriers. Immigrants brought the result of these crosses to the U.S. The APBT (pit) was developed in the U.S. as a gaurd, cattle catcher, livestock driver, and companion. (< see that.) It's most notorious use (not originally bred for!!!) was fighting.[color=#000000]The breed is a fighter because of it's natural power (not because their born aggressive). [/color]

Obviously that last part is no c & p job. It's an editorial. Any text would have known that the proper spelling would be "they're."

esteban ley

Posted : 1/31/2007 6:27:22 PM

Obviously that last part is no c & p job. It's an editorial. Any text would have known that the proper spelling would be "they're."

and "gaurd"

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/31/2007 8:20:45 PM

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Well it certainly wouldn't hurt if you actually picked up a book and did some real reseach. It beats just guessing.

APBT or pit bull
History: In the nineteenth century the English began crossing bulldogs and terriers. Immigrants brought the result of these crosses to the U.S. The APBT (pit) was developed in the U.S. as a gaurd, cattle catcher, livestock driver, and companion. (< see that.) It's most notorious use (not originally bred for!!!) was fighting.[color="#000000"]The breed is a fighter because of it's natural power (not because their born aggressive). [/color]

Obviously that last part is no c & p job. It's an editorial. Any text would have known that the proper spelling would be "they're."

Are you not keeping up??? I'm the one who can't spell.

Oh, and it's right on the money. IMO

Xerxes

Posted : 1/31/2007 9:10:41 PM

What's the source material??

pit bull, dog aggression, and obsession with ball???