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Posted : 1/29/2007 3:23:47 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

Dammit!

Now now, such language.

I NEVER said ANY info posted in this thread was incorrect! I simply posted that because it's part of the information that tells about the fight history.

And also gives misleading info.

NO ONE DWELLS ON THE FIGHT HISTORY OF THE BREED.

No need to shout.

If it appears that way then it's because of the genetic predispositon pit bulls have for DA.

Sorry, but I simply disagree that pit bulls have a "natural" dog aggression.

And another reason it could appear that way is because you keep denying it does exist and I keep having to remind you, that while we shouldn't dwell on it, we should be aware that it exists and to take proper precautions.
That's it and that's all.

What "we" should be aware of, is the fact that it is a very powerful breed. that power must be dealt with. If a pit attacks another dog, is it because of the so called "DA" in them, or is it that they're needs as a dog weren't sufficiently met? By the way, not only are their needs not met which can lead to their behavior, but pits that are "breed to fight" are from birth, taught to be mean by abusing them.

I am not saying that pbrc.net's information is anymore or any less accurate than any of the other information out there about the breed. I posted it to show the confliction in information available.

That's why when one here's a pit bull attacked, the first thing that pops into their head shouldn't be, *see, it's one of those natural born killers*, it should be, *I wonder what the life of that dog must have been like to make them that way*.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 3:24:48 PM

Some people simply should not own this breed. Period.

Scout in Canada

Posted : 1/29/2007 3:30:08 PM

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Some people simply should not own this breed. Period.

Why? Because the breed can have a tendency towards DA which needs to be prevented and managed by a knowledgeable owner?

chewbecca

Posted : 1/29/2007 3:51:25 PM

awsomedog,
I'm not going to argue nature vs. nurture with you.

And I do NOT think it's your job or right to tell ME what kind of breed I should or should not own.

Deb

Posted : 1/29/2007 4:24:11 PM

Awsomedog,

Chewbecca is totally on your side and yet you are going out of your way to pick a fight. We are all on the same side, really. We are all whittling away the hours on a *dog* forum because we are *pro-dog*. Because we love dogs. All of us. I don't think anyone on this forum is pro-BSL because it's very anti-dog legislation.

Why can't you trust that?

chewbecca

Posted : 1/29/2007 4:56:53 PM

awsomedog,

And as much as I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to believe that the only way a pit bull would fight another dog is if they're abused and raised in an environment that encourages that behavior, that's simply not true.

So that, that I will disagree with you on.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:46:42 PM

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Some people simply should not own this breed. Period.

Why? Because the breed can have a tendency towards DA which needs to be prevented and managed by a knowledgeable owner?

Scout, Scout, Scout, you opened your hand, your here to argue and nothing more. Why do I say that? Let's take a look at your post, shall we? Anyone with common sense would know I meant, It is a power full breed, just as Rotties, CC's, And Mals are, and one who desides to own one of these breeds give them what they need as dog. Not because their a ticking time bomb. That clear things up?

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:48:18 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

awsomedog,
I'm not going to argue nature vs. nurture with you.

Ok.?

And I do NOT think it's your job or right to tell ME what kind of breed I should or should not own.

Never said nor implied, you.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:49:23 PM

ORIGINAL: fisher6000

Why can't you trust that?

Have you read some of your post???

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:50:26 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

awsomedog,

And as much as I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to believe that the only way a pit bull would fight another dog is if they're abused and raised in an environment that encourages that behavior, that's simply not true.

So that, that I will disagree with you on.

Your opinion, not fact. Oh, and that is a fact.

chewbecca

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:54:39 PM

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

awsomedog,
I'm not going to argue nature vs. nurture with you.

Ok.?

And I do NOT think it's your job or right to tell ME what kind of breed I should or should not own.

Never said nor implied, you.

It seems to me that you think that DA is not genetic in pit bulls. You seem to keep saying that people here are saying that pit bulls are ticking time bombs. No one has said that. You seem to think that as long as the environment (or treatment-anything outside of genetics) is right for a pit bull, it will never be DA. My answer is: the dog can still have DA issues, but if managed properly, it won't be a problem. But an owner shouldn't just assume that their pit bull is going to get along with all dogs.

And how was I to know that you didn't mean that I shouldn't own a pit bull? You posted it in a post right after a post where you quoted me.

chewbecca

Posted : 1/29/2007 9:56:10 PM

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

awsomedog,

And as much as I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to believe that the only way a pit bull would fight another dog is if they're abused and raised in an environment that encourages that behavior, that's simply not true.

So that, that I will disagree with you on.

Your opinion, not fact. Oh, and that is a fact.

Dude, a pit bull CAN, and if DA, WILL fight another dog without having to be trained or abused.
THAT IS A FACT.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 11:26:31 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

It seems to me that you think that DA is not genetic in pit bulls. You seem to keep saying that people here are saying that pit bulls are ticking time bombs. No one has said that. You seem to think that as long as the environment (or treatment-anything outside of genetics) is right for a pit bull, it will never be DA. My answer is: the dog can still have DA issues, but if managed properly, it won't be a problem. But an owner shouldn't just assume that their pit bull is going to get along with all dogs.

Because it's not. Excuse me but *claiming* that pits are capable of "just going off on another dog because of "DA" is, Not a proven fact. Here's a fact, many breeds (even small ones) can display the same attitude of a pit given the right situation.

And how was I to know that you didn't mean that I shouldn't own a pit bull? You posted it in a post right after a post where you quoted me.

Read the post with out, feelings, but a open mind.

Awsomedog

Posted : 1/29/2007 11:30:24 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

Dude, a pit bull CAN, and if DA, WILL fight another dog without having to be trained or abused.
THAT IS A FACT.

That is not fact the way your stating it. Any dog "WILL fight another dog without having to be trained or abused." So what makes pits a issue???

espencer

Posted : 1/29/2007 11:30:30 PM

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

Dude, a pit bull CAN, and if DA, WILL fight another dog without having to be trained or abused.
THAT IS A FACT.

Well if you put a suicidal person on a rooftop he will jump off, thats obvious

What Awsome dog is saying is that it does not matter if is a pitbull, a chihuahua or my sister, if he/she has DA then there's gonna be a fight, but DA is not exclusive of pitbulls, they can be as happy as other breed around dogs

Oh and is not genetic, ask Jamie the moderator and she will tell you

pit bull, dog aggression, and obsession with ball???