Supernanny and the Dog Whisperer!

One reason some of us who work with dogs don't believe in time outs. First off dogs thenself don't use it. But the bigger reason is, timeout was being used so children put in it, could ponder over what they did wrong. Dogs don't do this. All they know 3 seconds after you've left them or kenneled them is, you left or kenneled them. So why do it. Years of working with working dogs, who spend more of their lives in kennels than most dogs, what we noticed was, (by their actions) they come out of the kennel the same way they go in. that's why we NEVER kenneled a dog on a bad note.

 
Good point.
 
If we are to believe that dogs have the brain capacity of 2 year old children,and 2 year old children can't think about "WHY " or how "How " they got "Time Out, then why are we expecting it out of dogs?
 
I think "Time Out" is more for the parents at that age, so the child can calm down.
 
I remember watching Dr. Phil on tv one time, he was talking to a mother, she really thought that she could have a conversation with her toddler about what he did, and why he shouldn't do it. They showed the video, no results, the kid was still hitting, spitting and screaming.

I do use timeouts with Scout, but maybe it's not quite the same definition as the one that would be used with kids.
 
When she used to nip or get mouthy, I would use the "YOW!" and ignore method. If she was really revved up at the time, she might try to jump and put her paws on my back, or nip at my clothes, or whatever. At this point I would walk into another room and close the door, isolating the dog for 30s or so. The point I was making, and I believe the dog got it, is that the behavior she was exhibiting caused all the fun to end. It wasn't a matter of giving the dog 5 minutes to think about what she had done. Just a concrete way of saying - you are not going to get what you want by jumping and mouthing me. It worked well for me!

I can see that, but what to do when one can't leave a dog alone for 30 minutes locked up in a room?

Yikes! 30 seconds!

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ORIGINAL: Angelique

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

ORIGINAL: Angelique

I want to see supernanny use clickers and treats for one entire episode, instead of using her more "social" leadership and the setting of boundaries approach. Only reward good behavior with goodies, and ignore the bad.

Do you ever consider adding to a thread without being negative and condescending?

Off topic.

Actually, it may be OT, but isn't this the section where people are supposed to post respectfully of other members???

Actually, it may be OT, but isn't this the section where people are supposed to post respectfully of other members???

 
The Highway runs both ways![8D]

say what you mean, mean what you say, don't say it mean.

 
This is exactly how dh and I are raising our boys.  We are not "yellers" and we don't hit.  We don't have to.  They know that if we give a warning, we mean it and they will change their behavior because they are smart enough to know it.  They are 8 and very mild mannered and polite boys.  We must be doing something right!
 
We also didn't try to "reason" with 2 toddlers.  Same deal.  No yelling or hitting, just redirecting and consequences they could understand for their age. 

ORIGINAL: Angelique

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

ORIGINAL: Angelique

I want to see supernanny use clickers and treats for one entire episode, instead of using her more "social" leadership and the setting of boundaries approach. Only reward good behavior with goodies, and ignore the bad.

Do you ever consider adding to a thread without being negative and condescending?

Off topic.

 
Well I missed this before. Yeah, it was off topic. And I'll make one more off topic post here.
 
The OP started an interesting and lighthearted thread which had absolutely no 'evil connotations'. It is an amusing topic (Supernanny!) and it has led to a pretty interesting discussion of kids vs. dogs, how each responds to different forms of "training".
 
It was disappointing to see that the thread had to be soured by a sarcastic baiting comment.

just redirecting and consequences they could understand for their age.

 
What would be the consequences or corrections for a 2 year old?

When I use time outs it is a punishment. They are being removed from the fun and put where there is no fun. My oldest son could do time-outs in the rocking chair in the corner. That wasn't any fun for him. My youngest son, on the other hand, can and will find a way to entertain himself almost any where. For him, time outs had to be standing in the corner of an empty hallway. Just sitting in the rocking chair wasn't really a deterrant to him.

When all is calm and there is no whining or crying I tell them why there were in time out, ask for an apology and a they go on their merry way after a big hug. (older kids tell ME why they are in time-out!)

The dogs don't get "time outs" but I do body block if they are too excited to listen then ask for an alternate behavior. I don't reward or release them until after they are calmed down and listening. I think, for me anyway, the key is to wait for the calm behavior to reward - just like with the kids. I've seen other parents let their kids come out of time out after a timer goes off, even if they are still pitching the mother of all tantrums. My kids don't get a timer - the good behavior is my cue that the time out is long enough.

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

ORIGINAL: Angelique

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

ORIGINAL: Angelique

I want to see supernanny use clickers and treats for one entire episode, instead of using her more "social" leadership and the setting of boundaries approach. Only reward good behavior with goodies, and ignore the bad.

Do you ever consider adding to a thread without being negative and condescending?

Off topic.

Well I missed this before. Yeah, it was off topic. And I'll make one more off topic post here.

The OP started an interesting and lighthearted thread which had absolutely no 'evil connotations'. It is an amusing topic (Supernanny!) and it has led to a pretty interesting discussion of kids vs. dogs, how each responds to different forms of "training".

It was disappointing to see that the thread had to be soured by a sarcastic baiting comment.

 
Still off topic.

The OP started an interesting and lighthearted thread which had absolutely no 'evil connotations'. It is an amusing topic (Supernanny!) and it has led to a pretty interesting discussion of kids vs. dogs, how each responds to different forms of "training".

Yeah! What Scout said! Let's drop the baiting and sarcasm from everyone and just have fun!

This is good stuff. "the good behavior is my cue that the time out is long enough."

I do time outs with my dogs.  It is very much along these lines.

If they are outside raising a ruckus, they come inside until they are calm.  When they are calm, they can go back outside to play.

I do time outs with my dogs. It is very much along these lines.

If they are outside raising a ruckus, they come inside until they are calm. When they are calm, they can go back outside to play.

 
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