Supernanny and the Dog Whisperer!

Good call 

I also do the same when they are disruptive in the house.  Outside they go to contemplate.

Contemplation lasts for about as long as it takes a squirrel or something interesting to come along and entertain them..

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

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ORIGINAL: snownose

I do time outs with my dogs. It is very much along these lines.

If they are outside raising a ruckus, they come inside until they are calm. When they are calm, they can go back outside to play.

That is "Time In"[]

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

 
"Time In " at my house means, stretching the ole bones and taking a long nap.......[8D]

I think, for me anyway, the key is to wait for the calm behavior to reward - just like with the kids

 
What a very good way to put it.  I don't have kids (yet) and thus I do not watch Supernanny or I'd be bald with worry before my son is born!  That has gievn me powerful food for thought.  It is exactly how I view a "time out" for a dog.  The "time out" is not necessarily a punishment, it's a chance to calm down so that when they come out of the crate or whatever, they are in a position where they can behave well and you can reward and encourage them for that.  I've used the "reverse time-out" - taking myself away (a la Scout) to teach puppies nipping and jumping up on me is not acceptable and it does seem to work.  Plus this is something that dogs do themselves - I think it was Awsomedog who pointed out that dogs don't do time outs on each other, I don't think this is true for the "reverse time outs" if you get my meaning as I have seen this happening (and working) amongst groups of puppies. 
 

  
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I want to see supernanny use clickers and treats for one entire episode, instead of using her more "social" leadership and the setting of boundaries approach. Only reward good behavior with goodies, and ignore the bad.

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Do you ever consider adding to a thread without being negative and condescending?
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Off topic.
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Well I missed this before. Yeah, it was off topic. And I'll make one more off topic post here.

The OP started an interesting and lighthearted thread which had absolutely no 'evil connotations'. It is an amusing topic (Supernanny!) and it has led to a pretty interesting discussion of kids vs. dogs, how each responds to different forms of "training".

It was disappointing to see that the thread had to be soured by a sarcastic baiting comment.
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Still off topic.

 
But still true.  Off topic does not equate to "completely irrelevant".  Please try to be aware of the impact your comments make on the thread as a whole.

Yeah, pretty much the same here.  I can turn on the tele and get a knock out and major snooze in about 5 minutes.

ORIGINAL: snownose

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

"Time In " at my house means, stretching the ole bones and taking a long nap.......[8D]

Good call

I also do the same when they are disruptive in the house. Outside they go to contemplate.

Contemplation lasts for about as long as it takes a squirrel or something interesting to come along and entertain them..

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

 
I like your smiley face!
 
Just as a sidenote, the reason I place myself in another room (which is more like giving myself a timeout) is because - I think by the time I got the dog in the other room, the timing would be completely screwed. eg> The dog nips, I yelp and immediately timeout myself. The dogs sees the withdrawal of attention as directly tied to the nipping.
 
To try and give the dog a timeout - I yelp, then call her into the bedroom and leave her in there? She would have forgotten the nip by that time.
 
Just something I was thinking about. Kids, on the other hand, can process "why am I getting a timeout" in a more complex way than dogs.

oh yeah, I see where you are going with this.  Immediate is the key word here, right?

So, if the dog is outside, some contemplation time does occur (maybe all of 5 minutes

A squirrel arrives on the scene.

The dog will associate the removal, not the joy of a squirrel?

 

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

Good call

I also do the same when they are disruptive in the house. Outside they go to contemplate.

Contemplation lasts for about as long as it takes a squirrel or something interesting to come along and entertain them..

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

I like your smiley face!

Just as a sidenote, the reason I place myself in another room (which is more like giving myself a timeout) is because - I think by the time I got the dog in the other room, the timing would be completely screwed. eg> The dog nips, I yelp and immediately timeout myself. The dogs sees the withdrawal of attention as directly tied to the nipping.

To try and give the dog a timeout - I yelp, then call her into the bedroom and leave her in there? She would have forgotten the nip by that time.

Just something I was thinking about. Kids, on the other hand, can process "why am I getting a timeout" in a more complex way than dogs.

I think, for me anyway, the key is to wait for the calm behavior to reward - just like with the kids

 
Another reason why I don't hand out treats, unless all dogs are relaxed and calm.

ORIGINAL: JM

oh yeah, I see where you are going with this.  Immediate is the key word here, right?

So, if the dog is outside, some contemplation time does occur (maybe all of 5 minutes

A squirrel arrives on the scene.

The dog will associate the removal, not the joy of a squirrel?

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

Good call

I also do the same when they are disruptive in the house. Outside they go to contemplate.

Contemplation lasts for about as long as it takes a squirrel or something interesting to come along and entertain them..

So in all probabilities, I am accomplishing nothing.

I like your smiley face!

Just as a sidenote, the reason I place myself in another room (which is more like giving myself a timeout) is because - I think by the time I got the dog in the other room, the timing would be completely screwed. eg> The dog nips, I yelp and immediately timeout myself. The dogs sees the withdrawal of attention as directly tied to the nipping.

To try and give the dog a timeout - I yelp, then call her into the bedroom and leave her in there? She would have forgotten the nip by that time.

Just something I was thinking about. Kids, on the other hand, can process "why am I getting a timeout" in a more complex way than dogs.

 
I suppose the only reason I don't use outside as a timeout area, is that outside is for the most part fun. It depends on your dog I think - for some, being removed from their owners presence is very much a 'punishment' of sorts. For mine, the second she got outside she'd be doing wheelies in the snow. So while yours might contemplate, mine is doing victory laps around the backyard. []  The real question would be - how do you get the dog outside? Call it? Pull it out by its collar? In my opinion, the actions you take to move the dog might make it forget the behavior that it's being punished for in the first place (perhaps).

I suppose the only reason I don't use outside as a timeout area, is that outside is for the most part fun.

We're in the same boat! Plus, I like to stop the behavior where it's happening and ask for a new behavior so that my dogs can learn that they have to control themselves wherever they are. If I had put them in the bedroom whenever they went nuts at the door, they never really nearn *how* to behave at the door.

I can get mine to the door just by merely glancing or moving to the door.  Which probably says a lot   

That is where I was going with this...if "outside" is considered a reward.  Which it probably is in this case.

I try to keep it at, dogs with too much energy are outside.  Calm dogs are inside.

Doh!  What am I teaching them? I am sure they would prefer to be outside sniffing imaginary creatures.

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ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

I suppose the only reason I don't use outside as a timeout area, is that outside is for the most part fun. It depends on your dog I think - for some, being removed from their owners presence is very much a 'punishment' of sorts. For mine, the second she got outside she'd be doing wheelies in the snow. So while yours might contemplate, mine is doing victory laps around the backyard. []  The real question would be - how do you get the dog outside? Call it? Pull it out by its collar? In my opinion, the actions you take to move the dog might make it forget the behavior that it's being punished for in the first place (perhaps).

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

To try and give the dog a timeout - I yelp, then call her into the bedroom and leave her in there? She would have forgotten the nip by that time.

This is something I think worth repeating. Hits the nail on the head.

What would be the consequences or corrections for a 2 year old?

Two year olds can understand cause and effect very well. Two DAY olds can understand cause and effect very well. If they didn't, they wouldn't learn to nurse, to persist crying until their needs were met, etc, etc.

The trick with two year olds is making the expectations clear, success easy, and the consequences consistent and short and sweet. And lots of repetitions. Sound familiar? []

Consequences and corrections would depend on the individual child. I only had to express my disappointment or my pleasure, to modify the behavior of my first child. We had to build a whole structure of consequences and rewards, including the time out concept, with my second child. I imagine there's a rainbow of variations in there, just as there are with dogs. No one size fits all.