How can this be?

People should take responsibility for their own actions, yes I agree. People who are stupid enough to employ the techniques of the show without the aid of a professional should take responsibility for their poor judgement, I agree. BUT, the damage has already been done - the dog has already been harmed and/or bitten someone/been PTS..... This should be prevented if at all possible, wouldn't you agree?

 
Thank God, we don't live in Russia......[]
 
How many people just have children even though they should not????
When children turn out bad, the system doesn't "Kill them off"...........just like that....
 
I believe that the responsiblity stays with the person in charge....

No.  We don't kill off children for going bad, but we do dogs.

ORIGINAL: snownose
When children turn out bad, the system doesn't "Kill them off"...........just like that....

I believe that the responsiblity stays with the person in charge....

No. We don't kill off children for going bad, but we do dogs.

 
 
Yes, we all know...............people should have to get a permit to own dogs........and, perhaps children........JMO

You know, really, it is sad that a society cannot trust it's populace with kids nor dogs.

 The most helpless of them all. 

A quote comes to mind..."what you do unto the least of them, you also do unto me."

ORIGINAL: snownose

No. We don't kill off children for going bad, but we do dogs.

Yes, we all know...............people should have to get a permit to own dogs........and, perhaps children........JMO

You know, really, it is sad that a society cannot trust it's populace with kids nor dogs.

The most helpless of them all.

A quote comes to mind..."what you do unto the least of them, you also do unto me."

 
As sad as it is.........it is the truth................

Let's see if I can help. Yes, lets strengthen censorship. Let's start with the Bible. It starts out with people running around naked, nude, and without any clothes on. Woohoo! It is full of violence. How about Lot, who was willing to sacrifice his two virgin daughters to the men of the Sodom as long as they would leave him alone with his male guests. How about Elisha, an old bald man. Some kids were laughing at him so he cursed them and God sent to she-bears that tore those 40 children to bits. How about the rape of the Virgin Mary? Re-read the story and you will find that she had no say in the matter. She was simply told by an angel "Whoop! There it is!" How about the stories where the Chosen People totally decimate another tribe, killing every man and boy and keeping the women for slaves? How about the story of Onan? It is not about the sin of "spilling on the ground" but about disobeying God's order, yet people still managed to think the wrong thing. Tough stuff to read. Requires you to think. Some people will read the Bible and misinterpret it. It can't be stopped. Certainly not by banning the Bible. It deserves to be read and seen, just like anything else. And peoples lives are affected by the book, just as people and their dog's lives are affected by what source of information they use and how they interpret it.
 
To answer the original question in this thread, CM has a happy pack because he sees to their needs. A way to expend energy (exercise) and structure. Though their rank may change amongst each other, he is their leader. And discipline and/or training, which reiterates what is expected and the cues for those behaviors, such as commands, NILIF, etc. CM speaks doggy.
 

Great post ron, especially the off topic bits.... It's pretty violent stuff in the old testament, been trying to get the religious members of my family to see it for a long time.  And the story of Onan, double points for that methinks.  Oh and the bit about CM was good too. 

To set the record straight.   I do no believe anyone suggested censorship per se.  It was more the idea that the mass media approach without adequate instruction (which would likely make for bad television) is not desired.  Specificially, I would prefer an audience who had to work a bit more to get the information, that might address some of the issues that are concerning to others.
 
I would be far happier if there were more programs to provide more information and approaches.  
 
I am not demeaning the man personally, stating a belief about responsibility when you (the general use not specific individual) are presenting yourself as an authority.
 
Those who object to aspects of the program are certainly aware of the channel changer.  Opinions were asked and offered;  those opinions were misconstrued which is to be expected in such a venue (time limited, loss of pragmatic cues, no opportunity for visual cues etc).

ORIGINAL: ron2

Let's see if I can help. Yes, lets strengthen censorship. Let's start with the Bible. It starts out with people running around naked, nude, and without any clothes on. Woohoo! It is full of violence. How about Lot, who was willing to sacrifice his two virgin daughters to the men of the Sodom as long as they would leave him alone with his male guests. How about Elisha, an old bald man. Some kids were laughing at him so he cursed them and God sent to she-bears that tore those 40 children to bits. How about the rape of the Virgin Mary? Re-read the story and you will find that she had no say in the matter. She was simply told by an angel "Whoop! There it is!" How about the stories where the Chosen People totally decimate another tribe, killing every man and boy and keeping the women for slaves? How about the story of Onan? It is not about the sin of "spilling on the ground" but about disobeying God's order, yet people still managed to think the wrong thing. Tough stuff to read. Requires you to think. Some people will read the Bible and misinterpret it. It can't be stopped. Certainly not by banning the Bible. It deserves to be read and seen, just like anything else. And peoples lives are affected by the book, just as people and their dog's lives are affected by what source of information they use and how they interpret it.

To answer the original question in this thread, CM has a happy pack because he sees to their needs. A way to expend energy (exercise) and structure. Though their rank may change amongst each other, he is their leader. And discipline and/or training, which reiterates what is expected and the cues for those behaviors, such as commands, NILIF, etc. CM speaks doggy.

First of all, it was a joke, ron - I do not believe in censorship, but I believe in religious freedom - I also believe that Christians do not do not have a corner the market for Heaven, and that the other religions are also worthy of respect.
You know, it's funny that anyone would really point the finger of censorship in my direction, since I am being censored in this section, not doing any censoring, by not being able to post my true feelings on a lot of the subject matter.  []
With the Bible, as with any other book, the dangerous thing is when you only read one, and have no use for the others.  That, IMHO, is what causes fanaticism and wars, holy, Internet, or otherwise. 

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

  Oh and the bit about CM was good too. 

"To answer the original question in this thread, CM has a happy pack because he sees to their needs. A way to expend energy (exercise) and structure. Though their rank may change amongst each other, he is their leader. And discipline and/or training, which reiterates what is expected and the cues for those behaviors, such as commands, NILIF, etc. CM speaks doggy."

That part bothers you why?

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

You know, it's funny that anyone would really point the finger of censorship in my direction, since I am being censored in this section, not doing any censoring, by not being able to post my true feelings on a lot of the subject matter.  []

 
You know what can help? you can always write it all down in a piece of paper and after that setting it into flames, just like Jennifer Aniston did about Brad Pitt  []

Sorry espencer - I just replaced my fireplace with a $3000 pellet stove.  Not going to remove it to get theatrical throwing CM's book and a few doodles into the flames.  But, thanks for the suggestion. [sm=wink2.gif]

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

Oh and the bit about CM was good too. 

"To answer the original question in this thread, CM has a happy pack because he sees to their needs. A way to expend energy (exercise) and structure. Though their rank may change amongst each other, he is their leader. And discipline and/or training, which reiterates what is expected and the cues for those behaviors, such as commands, NILIF, etc. CM speaks doggy."

That part bothers you why?

 
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I think you are making an assumption.  It is incorrect.

The only things I've seen censored and addressed in the CM area is bad human behavior, personal attacks, and off-topic agendas.
 
There are other areas for discussing other topics.
 
I think it's very clear that facts are more easily uncovered when feelings can be set aside in favor of an uninterupted discussion and the sharing of personal knowledge, experiences, and success stories which support one's beliefs, rather than simply repeating the misrepresentations (which I've also read out there on the net) of what Cesar is trying to share with people to help them, help their dogs.
 
The "us" vs "them" factor in these converstations is unfortunate, sad, and unproductive. I believe this forum was set up to stop this from happening.
 
The playing field is being verbally and emotionally leveled, the ball is being kicked out of bounds, the rules of the game ignored, and the ref wears out his whistle on the personal fouls.
 
Oh well, play ball! []
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: Angelique

The only things I've seen censored and addressed in the CM area is bad human behavior, personal attacks, and off-topic agendas.

There are other areas for discussing other topics.

I think it's very clear that facts are more easily uncovered when feelings can be set aside in favor of an uninterupted discussion and the sharing of personal knowledge, experiences, and success stories which support one's beliefs, rather than simply repeating the misrepresentations (which I've also read out there on the net) of what Cesar is trying to share with people to help them, help their dogs.

The "us" vs "them" factor in these converstations is unfortunate, sad, and unproductive. I believe this forum was set up to stop this from happening.

The playing field is being verbally and emotionally leveled, the ball is being kicked out of bounds, the rules of the game ignored, and the ref wears out his whistle on the personal fouls.

Oh well, play ball! []

You're even getting better at this, Angelique.  Not so many caps & bold over here where everyone believes in the master. []