How can this be?

You've slipped up there.  Most people who post here don't have a problem with CM because this forum is specifically for people who like his show.  People who do disagree are going to find it tough to reply without directly contravening the rules of this forum.  Maybe you should try posting the question somewhere else.

I can't even believe I'm having a go at this.

Cesar Millan is not the only person in the universe who rescues and rehabs troubled dogs, nor is he the only person to have a large group of dogs (though you do realize he has staff and a professional kennel facility, right?). No one is faulting him for doing rescue work or pit bull advocacy. It's great that he does that, but that should not be the entire basis for making a judgement about his philosophies or methods. Patricia McConnell's books are studded with stories and case studies of aggressive, fearful, seriously latch-ditch effort dogs that she has worked with.

And do the methods work for some dogs in some situations? Sure. They wouldn't have been used for decades if they didn't. But "it works fine enough now" is never a good reason to not look for room for improvement.

He he, posting the question somplace else will also contravening the rules of  the entire I Dog forum, you cant discuss CM out of here []
 

ORIGINAL: houndlove

I can't even believe I'm having a go at this.

Cesar Millan is not the only person in the universe who rescues and rehabs troubled dogs, nor is he the only person to have a large group of dogs (though you do realize he has staff and a professional kennel facility, right?). No one is faulting him for doing rescue work or pit bull advocacy. It's great that he does that, but that should not be the entire basis for making a judgement about his philosophies or methods. Patricia McConnell's books are studded with stories and case studies of aggressive, fearful, seriously latch-ditch effort dogs that she has worked with.

And do the methods work for some dogs in some situations? Sure. They wouldn't have been used for decades if they didn't. But "it works fine enough now" is never a good reason to not look for room for improvement.

Like i said before, not because behaviorists techniques are old that means they are bad, new techniques are not better or worse, they are just different

double post

Now you see my delimma and why I was frustrated by the resistance to discuss.

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

You've slipped up there.

Sorry but no, I didn't. I'm following the rules of the forum. And your sadly mistaken, the CM threads have plenty of people who don't like him.

ORIGINAL: houndlove

I can't even believe I'm having a go at this.

Cesar Millan is not the only person in the universe who rescues and rehabs troubled dogs, nor is he the only person to have a large group of dogs (though you do realize he has staff and a professional kennel facility, right?). No one is faulting him for doing rescue work or pit bull advocacy. It's great that he does that, but that should not be the entire basis for making a judgement about his philosophies or methods. Patricia McConnell's books are studded with stories and case studies of aggressive, fearful, seriously latch-ditch effort dogs that she has worked with.

And do the methods work for some dogs in some situations? Sure. They wouldn't have been used for decades if they didn't. But "it works fine enough now" is never a good reason to not look for room for improvement.

You missed the whole point of the question. Let's try again. As far as, the people who condemn him and his methods, (which some of you have done too) why does his pack seem to calm and happy. Now, do you think you can try to answer that.

ORIGINAL: espencer


Like i said before, not because behaviorists techniques are old that means they are bad, new techniques are not better or worse, they are just different

Simple and well put.

ORIGINAL: DPU

Now you see my delimma and why I was frustrated by the resistance to discuss.

What do you mean?

I try to stay out of the CM bords as much as I can because I don't always agree with his methouds but here are my thoughts of why I would think this. I do think is that he is looked down upon because he has no formal education about dogs, he's not a behavorlist who studies for years to get a degree, he created almost all his methouds himself by living with dogs. People who studied for years to have a tital as a behavorlist are taught several different ways to interprate a dog's behavor that come from several different sources, they can logicaly put together what they were taught and what they experances to train a dog. CM only uses his experances to train dogs.

I would not dissagree that he has helped dogs and succeeded in training, but many rescuers have no formal education about dogs and do the same. I really see no connection between the way he trains dogs and the way he owns and rescues them.

Take a group of dogs at a doggie daycare, they get along great and no one really steped in and sorted out the pack to behave like that.

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

ORIGINAL: DPU

Now you see my delimma and why I was frustrated by the resistance to discuss.

What do you mean?

 
People of other training philosphies could not come in and criticize his method.  And actually I was counting on that not happening because I wanted an in depth discussion of his ways by the people who are most knowledgeable and practice his ways.  As you saw the core group would not discuss the 'what ifs' and in not discussing the 'what if', the elements that should be taken into consideration when dealing with a behavioral problem were dismissed.  Look at the resistance I got when I tried to vary the element age.  Caused confusion, negative feedback, and non responses. 

ORIGINAL: DPU  Look at the resistance I got when I tried to vary the element age.  Caused confusion, negative feedback, and non responses. 

I thought I did give you, at least, my answer and thoughts about it.

  Xebby

Your not getting the question.

Perhaps your right, But I just don't see the connection between the dogs being calm, living together after being abused and his training methouds. I'm glad there are people in this world who rescue abused dogs but I don't see why CM should be more special then them just because he's on TV. There are plenty of dogs who are agressive who are out on the street with no human interaction, but they form packs and live fine with one anouther, no one there to really train them how to do that.

I think I'm better off staying out of this one...