Caesar and Mouthing.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Caesar and Mouthing.

    I'm not sure whether if he handled a mouthing dog before, but if he did, how did he do it, and if theres a link to the episode, it'd be great.
     
     
     
    Thanks
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    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    I'm not sure whether if he handled a mouthing dog before, but if he did, how did he do it, and if theres a link to the episode, it'd be great.
    Thanks


    Specifics needed. "Cesar" deals with mostly adult dogs, not puppies being a little mouthy.

    Are you talking about Cesar's philosophies in general, or are you wanting to compare how Ian Dunbar deals with mouthy puppies vs what Cesar "might do" in a given situation based on our own individual guesstimations? [:D]

    The dog "Opie" was "mouthing" and biting his owner in one episode, but this was the transferred aggression of an adult dog, not normal puppy mouthing.

    Giving us a specific scenario for discussion, would be helpful. [:)]
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    You're in luck! While eating lunch I just tuned in to NGC and saw a CM segment on puppy nipping. It was a bit hard to watch bc the owners were SO clueless... but anyway they had two "Rottweiler" (in scare quotes bc they looked like mixes to me) puppies who appeared to be around 16 weeks old. The pups were left out in the backyard together all day, jumped all over their owner at feeding time, tried to play with the owners by nipping, and were too rough w the 2 yo child. Cesar's program included exercise - up from none to one 40min walk a day - and for the nipping he used the "claw" on the dogs' necks and held them down until they calmed down.
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    ORIGINAL: Angelique

    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    I'm not sure whether if he handled a mouthing dog before, but if he did, how did he do it, and if theres a link to the episode, it'd be great.
    Thanks


    Specifics needed. "Cesar" deals with mostly adult dogs, not puppies being a little mouthy.

    Are you talking about Cesar's philosophies in general, or are you wanting to compare how Ian Dunbar deals with mouthy puppies vs what Cesar "might do" in a given situation based on our own individual guesstimations? [:D]

    The dog "Opie" was "mouthing" and biting his owner in one episode, but this was the transferred aggression of an adult dog, not normal puppy mouthing.

    Giving us a specific scenario for discussion, would be helpful. [:)]

     
    I have a 14 month old sibe that still mouths. We got him at the shelter at 1 year old, but mouthing remains a problem.
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    ORIGINAL: jones

    You're in luck! While eating lunch I just tuned in to NGC and saw a CM segment on puppy nipping. It was a bit hard to watch bc the owners were SO clueless... but anyway they had two "Rottweiler" (in scare quotes bc they looked like mixes to me) puppies who appeared to be around 16 weeks old. The pups were left out in the backyard together all day, jumped all over their owner at feeding time, tried to play with the owners by nipping, and were too rough w the 2 yo child. Cesar's program included exercise - up from none to one 40min walk a day - and for the nipping he used the "claw" on the dogs' necks and held them down until they calmed down.

     
    How did this "claw" work? (please be more specific)
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    Well, you know that Cesar Millan advises viewers not to try his techniques at home and suggests people find experts to help them in person, so... let's leave it at that shall we?
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    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    How did this "claw" work? (please be more specific)

     
    Is like if you grab an imaginary tennis ball in your hand and you touch your dog that way, you can see it in some of the videos i posted in this forum
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    Hmm... one problem with that. We used to give him time outs whenever he mouthed, so he doesnt let me touch his neck when hes mouthing.
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    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    Hmm... one problem with that. We used to give him time outs whenever he mouthed, so he doesnt let me touch his neck when hes mouthing.


    This forum is for discussions about Cesar's techniques and his philosophies, and for the sharing of general information.

    Your dog is nearing adulthood and this situation should be addressed in person with a hands-on and eyes-on behaviorist in order to make sure all aspects of your relationship with your dog, all household members, and the dog's behavior can be observed, evaluated, and a plan of action put into place.

    There is too much going on which must be observed and helped in person (and is what you require right now) in order to keep everyone safe and not mess up an already mouthy and disrespectful dog.

    Please get hands-on help ASAP, before your dog gets any older.

    One source is through:

    [linkhttp://www.dogpro.com/]www.dogpro.org/[/link]

    Good luck.
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    I've never seen CM talk about puppy mouthing, but I have a feeling he wouldn't use a "claw" on a pup. I had the same problem with my pup up till he was 8 mo., and I also wondered what would CM do. (What would Jesus do?Sorry.)

    Mouthing is quiet a rude behavior. Dogs that do that a lot need to learn patience and sefl control. Contacting a behaviorist would be a good idea, since your dog is quiet old to continue that.

    Excessive mouthing, restlessness, irritability can also indicate some health issues-minor or not.

    Did you used to drag him in the crate by his collar? What does he do when you touch his collar? What have you tried besides time outs?

    Here are some other thoughts I have on that...

    Have you ever read S. Clothier's book "Bones would fall from the sky"? She shed a light on one part of dog training that many professionals ignore *completely* - listen to what your dog is trying to tell you. As simple as that. Another lesson I've learned from her, is to not be afraid to try new techniques, tools, etc. on your dog. She says that people often stick to something that just doesn't work. (Why keep on screaming "Ouch" when your pup mouths you if you know it's not working in stopping it?) Actually her point is not new - we all did that as children: if thing A doesn't get you what you want, drop thing A, try B, etc. Studies have shown that children can teach a dog new tricks faster than adults can. Ever wondered why? I think it's because, as S. Clothier mentions, they listen and respond in a very simple, unbiased way... not sure how to describe this, but, my point is: if your dog is mouthing there is a reason for it. Notice the context, who he does it to, when.

    Does he simply want to play? Then without pushing him away with your hands, turn your body on her blocking his attempts to bite. If he jumps on you, with your elbow calmly push him away. Redirect his playfulness to one of the toys he could chase or shake. (Redirecting to a chew doesn't work for me when my pup is 'full of beans'.)

    If he is mouthing to get attention (when you are on the phone, for example), ignore him. Block him with your body if he is in your face.

    Also, my dog mouths when he needs to do no.2. I know it! As soon as he starts mouthing, I acknowledge it: "You have to wait!" in a stern voice. I can tell, his eyes change- "She heard!" 90% of the time it will stop him from mouthing. He told me what he wants, I told him "I hear you. Not now." Redirecting to a chew helps...


    My final suggestion is that you should not associate grabbing of his collar with any negative consequence - "Crating". Touching a dominant dog by its neck is quiet symbolic as is. No need to condition your dog to hate you doing that. You never know when a vet will need to touch him there...

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    ORIGINAL: jones

    Well, you know that Cesar Millan advises viewers not to try his techniques at home and suggests people find experts to help them in person, so... let's leave it at that shall we?


    Some people would go farther and say this technique is not appropriate, and could actually result in more problems, so if you want all points of view, not just CM's, you'll need to post in the regular training section of the board.
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    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    Hmm... one problem with that. We used to give him time outs whenever he mouthed, so he doesnt let me touch his neck when hes mouthing.


    Just curious - what do time outs have to do with touching his neck?  How did you give him the time outs?
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    ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

    ORIGINAL: WolfDog

    Hmm... one problem with that. We used to give him time outs whenever he mouthed, so he doesnt let me touch his neck when hes mouthing.


    Just curious - what do time outs have to do with touching his neck?  How did you give him the time outs?


     
    I think it does not have to do one with the other, i think he added a "so" that should not be there, take that "so" out and it makes sense
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    ORIGINAL: jones

     they had two "Rottweiler" (in scare quotes bc they looked like mixes to me) puppies who appeared to be around 16 weeks old.



    Cesar's program included exercise - up from none to one 40min walk a day


    Oh my gawd!  ONE 40 minute walk for 4mo "Rottweilers"??? Can anyone else see the flaw here.... or is it just me?

    jones - Are you sure????  Even if they were mixes, advertising this as part of a viable solution for a fast heavy growing breed prone to hip and elbow dysplasia is a bit iffy - really, I don't mean to sound rude or anything but are you doubly sure you got that bit right?  Me, I'd say 20 mins for a dog of this age and type, and even then I'd split it into two or three sessions a day, with short bursts of free play on a suitable surface on top of that.

    Anyhow, I digress.  Sorry.  Back to topic.  Did Cesar mention any good teething remedies as part of his cure?  Rotties and Rottie mixes are oh-so-notorious for this problem, its a whatchamacallit, a breed trait.  It can be helped a great deal by freezing some of their chews and toys, some well timed "time outs" and teaching a desirable behaviour to replace the old one.  I've never heard of this "claw" technique to teach puppies appropriate chewing/mouthing habits before.....
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    ORIGINAL: Chuffy


    Oh my gawd!  ONE 40 minute walk for 4mo "Rottweilers"??? Can anyone else see the flaw here.... or is it just me?

    jones - Are you sure????  Even if they were mixes, advertising this as part of a viable solution for a fast heavy growing breed prone to hip and elbow dysplasia is a bit iffy - really, I don't mean to sound rude or anything but are you doubly sure you got that bit right?  Me, I'd say 20 mins for a dog of this age and type, and even then I'd split it into two or three sessions a day, with short bursts of free play on a suitable surface on top of that.



    CM suggests 40 minutes a day for adult dogs, you can do 2 of 20 minutes each for example, of course if you cant control your dogs then you have to work on that department first, if they are puppies there is not need to excersice them as grown adults but you still need to drain in some way that extra energy the puppies have

    He actually walks with his mix pack of 30 dogs every day for more than one hour, i believe he does 3 or 4 hours every day, but he is a pro on what he does and he has time to do so  (all of them adults, not puppies)