Posted : 1/10/2007 4:30:05 PM
ORIGINAL: Angelique Dog = Nose, eyes, and ears. They also communicate through touch and vocalizations, and follow a leader naturally. Humans = All mouth and eyes. Yack, yack, yack, with no clue as to the subtle signals they send through smell, vocal tone, and body language which a dog reads in "dog". Oh, don't touch the dog to communicate! Conditioning is all you need as long as you are "feeling" good and getting what you want, regardless of what you are communicating indirectly to the dog (that maybe you are not leadership material or a leader one minute and a subordinant the next). Humans deceive, manipulate, plot, conspire, and "lie" to get what they want. I've seen very little of this in dogs, mostly just manipulation. Humans also follow "unstable" leaders who deceive, manipulate, plot, conspire, and lie to get what they want. Dogs don't willingly follow unstable or "soft" leaders. Unfortunately, a dog is given little choice of who he is forced to live with. Humans will also embrace a philosophy which makes them "feel" good and look "good" to other humans. Even if that philosophy is not in the best interests of putting the needs of another before their own. And humans (modern man), go off the chart as far as "self-rewarding" behaviors. Yack, yack, yack...[]
Posted : 1/10/2007 4:42:14 PM
ORIGINAL: spiritdogs Um, so I guess the topic of butt sniffing within the pack was really off topic...[]
Posted : 1/10/2007 5:01:49 PM
ORIGINAL: espencer ORIGINAL: spiritdogs BTW, is it still true that the majority of Cesar's dogs are male? Lots of them are Pits - known to be respectful of humans... Do I notice that DPU's dogs are male? One of them is a hound (the likeliest of all breeds to think packs are cool, no matter who's in them). So, the advice that you give to DPU may not hurt, unless the dynamic changes. You guys are using the human comparison to your advantage, but nymaureen has stated it best - dogs are not people, and once socialized to a particular pack, will think of others as intruders - that's pretty much hard wired behavior, in varying degrees of intensity. Now, some dogs, having been around lots of other dogs since puppyhood (this is especially true of strays, or farm dogs, etc.) may be fine. But, the one dog you run across that will not be fine will tear holes in someone and not give up. Try mixing a few intact Kerry Blue terrier bitches who don't like each other in with your magical little packs and see what happens. [:'(] Males grr a bit, but seldom kill one another. Females are another ballgame sometimes. Well he does not say how many are males or females but he has both of them, by the way we started with human comparison untill you brought the "your boss picks your wife" example We are going in circles here, all what you stated in your post was explained already
ORIGINAL: spiritdogs BTW, is it still true that the majority of Cesar's dogs are male? Lots of them are Pits - known to be respectful of humans... Do I notice that DPU's dogs are male? One of them is a hound (the likeliest of all breeds to think packs are cool, no matter who's in them). So, the advice that you give to DPU may not hurt, unless the dynamic changes. You guys are using the human comparison to your advantage, but nymaureen has stated it best - dogs are not people, and once socialized to a particular pack, will think of others as intruders - that's pretty much hard wired behavior, in varying degrees of intensity. Now, some dogs, having been around lots of other dogs since puppyhood (this is especially true of strays, or farm dogs, etc.) may be fine. But, the one dog you run across that will not be fine will tear holes in someone and not give up. Try mixing a few intact Kerry Blue terrier bitches who don't like each other in with your magical little packs and see what happens. [:'(] Males grr a bit, but seldom kill one another. Females are another ballgame sometimes.
Posted : 1/10/2007 6:45:47 PM
Posted : 1/11/2007 6:24:25 PM
ORIGINAL: Angelique ORIGINAL: spiritdogs Um, so I guess the topic of butt sniffing within the pack was really off topic...[] Okay, back to the other OT realm. Just click your heels together three times, and pull my finger...[]
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