I'm new here, what are your thought about the dog whisperer?

I will share my thoughts about your dog. That is one GORGEOUS rottie.

 
DITTO!  Beautiful dog.  Welcome to the forum!
 
I like Cesar's show and I enjoyed his book.  However, I also read other training books and methods and try to incorporate what I feel is best for us.  I think all dog owners should start off with a basic puppy class and basic obedience class, and remember that training is a 24/7 endeavor.  It's never over!

ORIGINAL: wsucougs8

just curious what everyone thinks about the show and Ceasar's practice? I don't want to be neutral, so i'll say that i enjoy his show and find usefull information from each one, even if I don't use "every" part of what he says.  what do you think?

I think he's done a great job at creating awareness with people about their dogs. Also his show has great insights and is proof that most problems are fixable. He's also done an excellent job at disspelling a lot of myths about pitts, rotties and similar breeds.

The one thing that bothers me though, and this is not about him at all, is the people who have the "as seen on tv" mentality, and, as another member put it, cut and paste his words when they may not even apply. But I think people wanting to imitate him is just a by-product of his success and fame.

ORIGINAL: eley

The one thing that bothers me though, and this is not about him at all, is the people who have the "as seen on tv" mentality, and, as another member put it, cut and paste his words when they may not even apply. But I think people wanting to imitate him is just a by-product of his success and fame.

 
Well i was one of those "cut and copy" because i didnt realize there is people that not even telling them with apples and oranges will do it right, for me it was easy to understand way behind that just what i was watching on TV, but not everybody have that "easyness"
 
By the way, all that i "cutted and pasted" applied but the other member who said that didnt like CM from the beginning and used it as an excuse to make me stop posting CM thoughts, i stopped for copyright reasons, nothing else

My apologies for NOT welcoming you to idog.  That is one beautiful dog!
 
There is a particular body part that opinions are likened to and not everybody wants to see mine, so I'll keep my opinions on CM to myself, but I would urge you to look into ALL forms of training.  Positive reinforcement training can be absolutely wonderful.

For the rest...wise up!

Wise up?

Respectfully, your set of rules says nothing about what can be said on other areas of the forum. It only states that this area of the forum is for pro-Cesar Millan people, and that it is a confict-free zone because people who "practice other methods" are not invited.

I agree with others. That's a fine rottie with a natural stack.
 

ORIGINAL: espencer

ORIGINAL: glenmar

I think that you CAN take something from Cesars shows if you use it for entertainment value only and not as a guide to training your normal pup.  This is my opinion, but I would far rather see folks reading Ian Dunbar and some of the other positive reinforcement trainers than the old fashioned style training, which is what CM does.  I personally do not believe that one must display dominance in order to gain a dogs trust, and I live with 6 german shepherds.

Be careful glenmar and dont brake the rules, you know how it is if we discuss that here []

Glenda simply answered the OP's question as put.  Perhaps you should, rather, have directed the OP to the other sections of the board where dissent on this subject is permitted...[]

That is a gorgeous dog, almost as gorgeous as my presa . Welcome to the forum

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ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Glenda simply answered the OP's question as put.  Perhaps you should, rather, have directed the OP to the other sections of the board where dissent on this subject is permitted...

I did remind the OP that the thread was in the wrong place by at the same time reminding Glenmar there was a "special" area to talk about it since it seemed she also forgot

But no worries, everything is in the right place now

ORIGINAL: glenmar

My apologies for NOT welcoming you to idog.  That is one beautiful dog!

There is a particular body part that opinions are likened to and not everybody wants to see mine, so I'll keep my opinions on CM to myself, but I would urge you to look into ALL forms of training.  Positive reinforcement training can be absolutely wonderful.

In last weeks episode, Cesar actually called in a clicker trainer to help with the dalmation in the firehouse.  Yes, believe it or not, The Dog Whisperer does infact support positive training techniques.  Cesar brought in this guy because training dogs' commands isn't his thing. 

Cesar's thing is showing people how to live and interact with their dogs day to day, projecting the right kind of energy, while fulfilling the dogs natural needs, which helps the human have a much more rewarding and harmonious relationship with their dog.  When this relationship is established, actual training is much easier.    

ORIGINAL: espencer


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ORIGINAL: glenmar

I think that you CAN take something from Cesars shows if you use it for entertainment value only and not as a guide to training your normal pup.  This is my opinion, but I would far rather see folks reading Ian Dunbar and some of the other positive reinforcement trainers than the old fashioned style training, which is what CM does.  I personally do not believe that one must display dominance in order to gain a dogs trust, and I live with 6 german shepherds.



Be careful glenmar and dont brake the rules, you know how it is if we discuss that here



Glenda simply answered the OP's question as put.  Perhaps you should, rather, have directed the OP to the other sections of the board where dissent on this subject is permitted...

Anne, I was confused about this too, and rightly so.

There is nothing in Jamie's Rules about this CM Discussions forum that limits discussion of Cesar Millan anywhere else on the board. Rather, it states that this is a conflict-free zone designed for people who are pro-Cesar Millan--a place where members that do not agree with CM's methods are not invited. Just to make sure we are discussing this correctly, here are the rules themselves:

This area has been created for those who enjoy C.M and wish to discuss his training, the show and methods.

No rude remarks, no name calling, no foul language.

This is a specific area for specific members

If you practice in other methods of training there are other areas where you'd enjoy yourself much more, please visit there and contribute.

< Message edited by amstaffy -- 10/31/2006 5:12:09 PM >

So the OP posted this question in the Everything Else--Behavior section of the forum, and people answered his question politely, and *in the absence of any bad behavior* this polite thread was moved to a conflict-free zone where people who disagree with Cesar Millan are specifically not invited, as per the rules.

And I know this is just a dog forum and everything, but I am flabbergasted by this. The original idea as laid out by the rules--a no-dissent zone specifically created for pro-Cesar Millan people--is bad enough. It treats Cesar Millan and his practices and his show as an issue that cannot be discussed in an intellectually stimulating way, and the people who want to discuss his show is incapable of handling any back-and-forth.

But to limit discussion about a legitimate dog-related topic on all other areas of the forum? This is... well, I hate to do this, but the only words I can think to use are really hyperbolic words like fascist and dictatorial, and this is only a dog forum. But they fit the behavior. I am at a loss.

Internet Forums are beautiful because they create intellectual discussion for everybody--they are all about debate. This is a terribly anti-intellectual situation, and I feel bad for the OP who wants to just discuss the pros and cons of Cesar Millan's show and cannot do that here, on a dog forum, even though he was friendly about it.

Well, crap.  I tried to post in a non-confrontational manner and I STILL managed to stir the pot......I give up.

well, I hate to do this, but the only words I can think to use are really hyperbolic words like fascist and dictatorial, and this is only a dog forum. But they fit the behavior. I am at a loss.

 
A dog pack is not a democracy. Neither is a moderated forum. That's just the facts of life. Then, again, I've seen dog pack and a troop of mountain gorillas have more rigid social structure and manners than a group of humans. Just an observation.
 

Ron, I am not expecting democratic behavior. I am only expecting moderation that respects what internet forums are for.

Edited to add:

I also expect the moderator to follow her own rules, and to write down the rules she wants people to follow. Yesterday Jamie acted contrary to her own rules, which seem to permit polite discussion of Cesar Millan elsewhere on the forum.