It looks like we'll have to do something about Madison...

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    It looks like we'll have to do something about Madison...

    I am in tears right now. I feel like such a complete and utter failure. [:(]
     
     
    Madison has become progressively human aggressive. I don't know what I did wrong with her but she's just getting worse and worse and I don't know what else to do.
     
    She has always been terrified that we're going to hit her. Understandable, since she was hit often in the past. At first it was just her being really scared of little things- raised voices, that sort of stuff. So we were quieter. She rarely needed corrections, since she was so well behaved.
     
    Well, her bahvior has gotten progressively worse. She started attacking the other dogs. Okay, no more play time with the other dogs. She started becoming possessive of various objects- we just ignored her, practiced really extreme NILIF, and hoped that would help. It didn't. She started opening cabinets to steal food right in front of us. A verbal correction resulted in her flipping over onto her back, urinating in fear, and yelping- as if I had hit her. This became a trend, and she began to progressively overeact to even the slightest verbal correction- the only corrections we gave. We never laid a hand on her.
     
    Then she started snapping at us whenever she thought we were angry. If we grabbed her collar to stop her from physically doing something wrong, she would flip out and snap at us. It was entirely out of fear- but what else were we going to do? Never ever correct her for anything? We tried ignoring all bad behavior and rewarding the good. She then did more of the good behaviors, but continued the same level of bad. If there are no repurcussions for doing something she shouldn't do, she continues to do it. The reward for her is in the behavior itself.
     
    All of this has progressed into full blown attacks. Over the past few weeks, she has been attacking DH and I several times a week. Full blow lunging snarling attacks, not snaps. For very simple things- "Madison, Leave it" results in her coming at us. She has bitten us both so many times that we have lost count. Drawing blood pretty much every time. No huge gashes, no horrible wounds, but always a few punctures and once, she got DH's leg and he probably SHOULD have gotten stitches.
     
    I just don't know what to say. I practically grew up with this dog. When we took her from my parents, I thought we would be able to fix her problems and give her a good last few years. I have had her since early march and have spent well over a thousand dollars on her treatments alone since then. I have funneled so much time, and effort, and money into her it isn't even funny. Apparently none of this is good enough. I'm assuming she's just too far gone.
     
    The final straw was yesterday....I had been attacked by her before but nothing like this. I was getting ready to take her outside. We're standing by the door, and I'm clipping the tie-out to her leash. She's not showing me ANY signs that shes in a bad mood, scared, upset, or anything. She just seemed happy to be going outside.
     
    The next thing I knew, I was on the ground. She knocked me down, and had me pinned. She was snarling and screaming and snapping at me, but didn't really make contact with anything but my arms...and those just got some scratches from her teeth. I was punching her and trying to get her off of me, and it didn't work...Culley was asleep on my bed on the other end of the house. He heard the commotion, came running, and body slammed her- which enabled me to roll away and get up. She then turned and started attacking him- Culley stopped his end of the fight when I told him to, braced himself, and just took the onslaught from Madison...while I used a broom handle to fend her off of him. Eventually she calmed down and I was able to put her on a leash and throw her in a crate.
     
    No one was seriously injured...but that was the single most terrifying moment of my life. I called DH in tears and he said that she is gone, today. I am absolutely horrified...but I agree with him. She has attacked us countless times, but last night was the scariest and the final straw. Right now it's pretty much out of my hands...DH says she is gone, period. I hate it, but I have to agree with him...I'm horrified that next time I won't be so lucky as to get away with just a few scrapes. If it weren't for Culley, I don't know that I would have.
     
    I understand better than anyone that she is this way due to years of abuse and neglect. The fact is though, I can't undo it- god knows I've tried- and right now she is just plain dangerous. I have to think about my safety, my husband's safety, my other dog's safety, and the safety of people who may come in contact with her.
     
    I am just absolutely mortified that I wasn't able to fix her. I am in tears and pretty much have been since yesterday when this last attack happened...because I know that she has to go. Right now she's having to spend 99% of her day locked in a crate or chained up...and that's no way to live.
     
    We considered taking her to a shelter...but she's too dangerous. We don't want to risk someone adopting her and then her attacking a child- it's unlikely that she would be adopted at all, most likely she would just spend a miserable week terrified in a kennel and then be killed by a stranger. I couldn't do that to her, and I also couldn't risk her harming someone else.
     
    We've decided that the best thing is probably for her to be PTS. DH and I are going to talk about it more in depth, but we're thinking about having it done tonight...we'll be moving starting on friday and there's really no point in putting her through the stress of a move.
     
    I am so upset...but we just can't be around her anymore. We've done all we can and she has bitten and attacked us one time too many. She is truly scary to be around and I'm scared she is going to seriously injure someone...she seems to be of the mindset to do it.
     
    Flam away you guys...I know that I deserve it. I thought I could help her, but I just can't. I've done all that I can, my resources and will are just totally drained.
     
    I have known this dog since I was nine years old. I just can't believe this is happening...but I guess this is it. I am so, so sorry I failed her. [:(
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    Brittany-
    You are a saint.  You are Madison's hero.  She has just been through TOO much in her life.  You have given her the best last few months and I know I don't post much, but I read all of your posts.  I am so proud of Culley for protecting you and also for his obedience.  Yesterday could have ended so much worse.  You have to do what is best for you, your family and for Madison.  I am sure this will be difficult for you.  Best wishes. 
     
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    Ratsicles, PLEASE do not beat yourself up for this too much.  Rationalize (and that may be all you have right now to hold onto) that you DID do what you or anyone could do.  I have been through this and sometimes, unfortunately[X(], there is no way to reason it away with them.  I believe that anyone who has been through this themselves, TRULY been attacked by this type of dog, will really understand where you are coming from.  I know I am the type to do ANYTHING I can to save an animal from such a fate but, truly, you HAVE done EVERYTHING you can do.  She has become too dangerous for YOU, people she knows, to be around.  What are your choices?  Leave her in the crate 24/7?  I wouldn't want that or do that to anyone.  Be strong, be brave and remember you have done the BEST you can do.  If anyone else on this website has a heart, they will understand your situation and give only good advice or condolescences.  Take care and keep in touch.  Btw, kudos to Culley for saving his momma's life!
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    OMG, I'm so sorry! [:(]  Anyone who wants to flame you should just bugger off and spend some time reading other threads that prove how devoted you are to your animals and their training and safety.  We know this is a decision that will not be made lightly, and as you have illustrated, the dog has continued to escalate despite your knowledge, commitment, and consistent work with her on these issues.  You have done EVERYTHING anyone possible could have for this dog, NOBODY can say anything against you as far as your love and commitment are concerned.  I think this part says it all:

    I understand better than anyone that she is this way due to years of abuse and neglect. The fact is though, I can't undo it- god knows I've tried- and right now she is just plain dangerous. I have to think about my safety, my husband's safety, my other dog's safety, and the safety of people who may come in contact with her.


    I know nothing we can say can make you feel better, but I for one will stand behind whichever decision you make.
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    I'm so sorry!  I know how hard it is to not be able to help out a dog in need the way you would like.  At first, I was going to suggest a behavorist, but after that last attack, I think letting her go is the best thing.  She is not a young dog and for her to show that amount of aggession is scary.  Snapping is one thing, but pinning you down and not stopping for anything is completely different.  I normally don't like to see dogs put down for aggression, but there are times when it is in the best interest of the dog.  There was a dog at the HS that would attack any dog near it and broke through fences to get at dogs.  It had even tried to attack a person.  I felt that this dog would be much better off being PTS instead of being adopted.  There are times when the dog is too far gone to help.  It comes from bad breeding, lack of socialization when young, and neglect in adulthood.  Its deep in them and its not their fault.  I think that there should be attempts to help, as you have, but it comes to a point when it is no longer fair to the dog to keep trying to make them less aggressive.  They are constantly living on edge and that is no way to live.
    Be strong, and know that whatever decision you make will be the best for Madison.  You have tired your best and that was more than anyone else would do!
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    You did the best for her.  I too regret what must be done, but I agree; not even a behavorist could help now.  My heart breaks with you & her.
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    Brittany-
     
    You are Madison's hero and saving grace.   You and your family have given her the best few months of her life.  In the end you have to do what is best for you, your family and for Madison.  I know this is a difficult time right now in your life but remember all of the form members will be here to lend our support.
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    Your post brought tears to my eyes. I think you're doing the right thing by seriously considering having her euthanized, but I am still so, so sorry. At the very least you did all you could for her, and she spent her last time in a family that loved her very much. On some level, even through all the aggression and fear, she knows that, too.
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    Thank you all so, so much for your support. This forum is amazing, and all of YOU are amazing.
     
    This all just feels like such a nightmare. I guess right now I'm going to take her for a good long walk, see if I can let her play outside for a while if she can remain calm enough, and then I'll cook her a big nice meal.
     
    I don't know yet if she's going in tonight...but so far that's the plan. We're going to have to see if DH can get off early enough to take her in first. I guess I'm a coward, but I honestly don't think I can be there for it. [:(] She likes DH better anyway, so she'll be fine with just him there.
     
    I guess I'll update as soon as I have any news.
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    OK.. with tears in my eyes, I have to tell you that while I have no advice, you do have my utmost respect and admiration for trying to help Madison.  I am truly sorry that you are going through this.
     
    I will keep you and your husband in my thoughts during this difficult time.  
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    I'm so sorry you are going through this. You are certainly braver than I am to be planning to take Madison out for exercise today given yesterday's terrifying ordeal.
     
    This forum is so busy that I can't remember how much you've done as far as veterinary testing to see if a medical condition could be worsening and causing the escalation in behavior. Things can change pretty rapidly in a senior dog. Specifically, I'm thinking of Dr. Dodd's thyroid test, or if she could have a possible brain tumor or other neurological problem.
     
    Otherwise, I really can't see any options. A dog of her size with that much aggression toward her family is simply too much risk to take.
     
    Please take care.
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    Brittany, you have done so much for your dogs that you should never NEVER doubt yourself.  You have done everything you can for Madison.  Everything. 
     
    Words cannot express the emotions that I'm going through and what I'm feeling for you.  You are a hero to Madison, not a failure.  I'm so sorry that you're going through this right now. 
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    I can't imagine anyone flaming you for what you have done to try to help poor Madison.  And you are seeing it through to the end, which most people wouldn't do, even though it's a sad ending.  At least you will be there with her, and you have no idea how much that means.  My thoughts will be with you tonight, I am so very sorry.  But please remember, you tried so hard, I truly don't think there was anything else you could have done.  ;Please don't beat yourself up.
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    Britt, you know my stand on this.  I support you fully and I know you're doing the very darn best you can for her.  <3

    Stacita, I believe she's had a full thyroid panel done on Madison and she just feels that at this point she can't afford to spend any more on her given what she's spend already on her medical conditions, especially when she's so dangerous to have around the house. 
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    I'm really sorry for what you're having to deal with and I can't imagine anyone flaming you.  The decision you're having to make is difficult but is truly in the best interest of your family and Madison.  Hugs to you all.