Dealing With Aggression Without Punishment

ORIGINAL: Stacita

Have you ever heard the term, submissive domination? If so...what do you think of it. My guess is few will know what it is.

Since I don't think you are referring to the leather, whips and chains circles, I'm not clear about the term. Do you have links or books to recommend?

Ya, google on that phrase and see what pops up. [sm=eek.gif] 

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

ORIGINAL: Stacita

Have you ever heard the term, submissive domination? If so...what do you think of it. My guess is few will know what it is.

Since I don't think you are referring to the leather, whips and chains circles, I'm not clear about the term. Do you have links or books to recommend?

Ya, google on that phrase and see what pops up. [sm=eek.gif] 

No doubt a bunch of S & M sites. But, I know nothing about that sort of thing...as I am so pure and innocent. [:-]

In relation to dogs, and the term "submissive domination", I'm guessing this describes a dog which uses "submissive" gestures to manipulate the owner, meaning: The dog is in the "dominant" position and controlling the interaction through use of the "action/reaction" sequence. 

This is a manipulation of the owner, by the dog.

In a way, it's kind of like what's described as a caution in clicker training when the dog initiates a behavior and the owner dispenses a cookie, when the owner never asked for the behavior in the first place. []

I have not read "Calming Signals", but I have visited the website. Some of these opinions (along with Brenda Aloff's opinions) regarding a dog's body language, contains too much emotional interpretation and projection of human feelings for me.

The language of dominant and submissive gestures have more to do with pack position communication, and less to do with an emotional state, IMO.

Although, a certain amount of emotional state is present. []

This is called offerring a behavior.  If the owner wants the behavior repeated, they c/t.  If they decide they do not want the behavior...no more c/t.

I think the calming signals thought is lacking also.  It is not always about the dog  trying to calm everyone because it is freaked out.  Sometimes it is just about the dog trying to calm itself.

When I first read about them,..I became convinced that my dog was terrified of me.  Eventually common sense took over and I began to understand.

I think they are very useful though.  The first time I yawned at Zeus, he looked very surprised and sniffed my flews

In a way, it's kind of like what's described as a caution in clicker training when the dog initiates a behavior and the owner dispenses a cookie, when the owner never asked for the behavior in the first place. []

I have not read "Calming Signals", but I have visited the website. Some of these opinions (along with Brenda Aloff's opinions) regarding a dog's body language, contains too much emotional interpretation and projection of human feelings for me.
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He would yawn to get his excitement under control so he could focus on the sit/stay. Or he wouldn't get out the gate for his walk.

 
 
My Husky/Mal. mix does that, he actually turned out to be a good car rider,he goes wherever I go........so when I am getting ready to go, he gets excited, yawns and lays down to please me.......or maybe he is faking me out....so he can come with me.......[]

ORIGINAL: snownose

He would yawn to get his excitement under control so he could focus on the sit/stay. Or he wouldn't get out the gate for his walk.

My Husky/Mal. mix does that, he actually turned out to be a good car rider,he goes wherever I go........so when I am getting ready to go, he gets excited, yawns and lays down to please me.......or maybe he is faking me out....so he can come with me.......[]

In social mammals, a yawn and/or stretch can also be a display of health and strength, including the display of canine teeth. A dominant animal in the group will often be the first to initiate this display to the rest of the group when moving from a resting period to a more active hunting, foraging, or a patrolling of the home territory activity, from what I've observed.

In social mammals, a yawn and/or stretch can also be a display of health and strength, including the display of canine teeth. A dominant animal in the group will often be the first to initiate this display to the rest of the group when moving from a resting period to a more active hunting, foraging, or a patrolling of the home territory activity, from what I've observed.

 
 
Oh, I can see that...........but, in this case it happens everytime I get ready to go.......he can be outside, but senses that I am getting ready to leave and he comes in via doggie door, and displays this behavior every single time.

Learning dogs body language is key to many things, and more humans should try to learn it. After all, dogs are masters of body language, and not just theirs, but that of their humans as well. And it IMPO one should learn the difference between calming signals and submissive domination.

I think what you are calling "submissive domination" is what I call "spoiled rotten". Like my friend's dog who barks loudly whenever she tries to watch TV, so guess what, she feeds the dog a treat to get it to shut up. And guess what, the dog barks again when she's done with the treat.

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

I think what you are calling "submissive domination" is what I call "spoiled rotten". Like my friend's dog who barks loudly whenever she tries to watch TV, so guess what, she feeds the dog a treat to get it to shut up. And guess what, the dog barks again when she's done with the treat.

Your not even in the same ball park.

And now, out into the field to work I go.[sm=dance.gif]

ETA

In relation to dogs, and the term "submissive domination", I'm guessing this describes a dog which uses "submissive" gestures to manipulate the owner.

That is a correct statement.

meaning: The dog is in the "dominant" position and controlling the interaction through use of the "action/reaction" sequence.

But change dominant to submissive....and...disco. Good try Ang.

And no...I will not explain it beyond that. There's simply some things that are better off not bein explained on the internet. Flame suit on.

OK..... I read somewhere of a GSD whose owner would get down on the floor for "cuddles" with the dog.  The dog would roll over (normally considered submissive) to "make" her rub his belly.  She then had to keep rubbing his belly or he would begin snarling.... when he'd had enough he'd get up and move away.
 
This, to me, is an example of submissive domination.... Is that right????
 
I'll have to see if I can find where I read that......

submissive domination

Is this some made up phrase that someone has come up with to identify an act in a book or something?  [8|]

I understand others attempts of defining it and they make sense but I don't think there is any "real" definition for this.  This is for sure one of those labels that someone has put to something without it really being anything truly definable.  I think its what you want it to be..[]
 
I can think of a difinition for this that would apply to my husband if you want to hear it?[]

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

submissive domination

Is this some made up phrase that someone has come up with to identify an act in a book or something?  [8|]

I understand others attempts of defining it and they make sense but I don't think there is any "real" definition for this.  This is for sure one of those labels that someone has put to something without it really being anything truly definable.  I think its what you want it to be..[]

I can think of a difinition for this that would apply to my husband if you want to hear it?[]

The simplest answer. That's pretty much your opinion and nothing more.

OT

A foster dog came to me with the name Noah. It took a milisecond to decide to change that name. Could that be the reason he was in the shelter world?

Good looking out! DPU

OT also,
 
Debv53, you need to post more, I like your wit.

OT quote:

A foster dog came to me with the name Noah. It took a milisecond to decide to change that name. Could that be the reason he was in the shelter world?
Good looking out! DPU

 
Deb - help me.  I must be slow because I don't understand why the name Noah would be bad.