I HAVE A SERIUOS PROBLEM WITH MY 2 MONTH OLD PUPS!

ORIGINAL: fisher6000

Seconding Mudpuppy.

but will tend to create more problems than solutions over time.

Same question, according to who? lets talk about experience then, have you tried it? how many times? how do you know if it "tends"?

Same question, according to who? lets talk about experience then, have you tried it? how many times? how do you know if it "tends"?

 
Same question back at you, according to whom does it not?  Have you tried it with your own high energy lap dog?  Have you tried an alternate method?

That is a silly question, Espencer.

I am not going to get into defending how many books I've read, dogs I've trained and problems I have solved when you are the one advocating an approach that flies in the face of basic dog safety, what folks have known for hundreds of years about dogs and food, the accepted knowledge about littermates, and the difference between dobermans and other, less driven breeds of dog.

You have not succeeded just because you got the OP to listen to you in the short term! There are existing bodies of knowledge that you are totally ignoring, and another existing body of knowledge that you are simplifying to an absurd degree.

This puts the onus on you to actually defend your radical idea and not lash out defensively at every person who (rightly) thinks that you are hittin' the pipe!

Over time. Not one or two meals, not while dogsitting, not with teeny weeny puppies, not with the intention of getting into the middle of a dogfight. With big, driven dogs. Littermates, just to stick to the topic at hand.

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ORIGINAL: fisher6000

That is a silly question, Espencer.

 
Well is exactly the same question YOU asked me
 
People get over it, the OP did it and also worked, just because the OP didnt follow your advice everybody is fuming, since it worked now everybody is trying to find a negative point about it but they dont have anything more than speculations about the future with something they have never done or see themselves
 
Since the people here does not have the experience applying that method then they simply can NOT comment about it or about the consequences
 
From now on any post to me will be answer like this :
 
Have YOU done it:
1.-Yes
2.-No
 
If you answer yes then we can talk, if you answer is no then you simply dont know what you are talking about (sounds bad but is the truth) therefore you cant comment on the results AT ALL

Since the people here does not have the experience applying that method then they simply can NOT comment about it or about the consequences

Sooo, if someone were to say that they got their dogs to stop fighting by hitting them both with a baseball bat and that certainly works to prevent food aggression, NO ONE here is allowed to comment because...well geez we've never tried that one before so what to we know, eh?! [8D]  Hmmm, time to find a new dog forum then perhaps....

"she finished her meal and they both drank water together.. No problem..

All dogs will share water with each other.

If you answer yes then we can talk, if you answer is no then you simply dont know what you are talking about (sounds bad but is the truth) therefore you cant comment on the results AT ALL

So you're saying you have only one tool in your tool box? 

And if you've never tried any other way then how do you know your one tool works better than any others?
 
ETA:  This isn't a contest of who's methodology the OP uses.  If anything this is about proven methods that work to solve long term problems, which are easy to reproduce sight unseen and offer long term reliability.  It doesn't matter now, because it has deteriorated into one upsmanship on the part of one poster. 

If you answer yes then we can talk, if you answer is no then you simply dont know what you are talking about (sounds bad but is the truth) therefore you cant comment on the results AT ALL

Okay, so I have never stood between two large adult littermates with known food aggression issues and attempted to Pack Lead them into eating separately.

Keep in mind that at this point, neither has the OP. And nobody knows whether Espencer has done it either, over a significant period of time, with adult dogs and not puppies, or whether he can peak to the littermate issue, because his response when asked is merely to tell me that I cannot speak "AT ALL" because I have not tried it.

I have also never attempted to make a freehand cut on a table saw with a very small piece of wood (say a 9" square of wood, just hold onto it with your hands and put it into a table saw blade).

But I do have years of experience using table saws, teaching others how to use them, and have books and mentors and a community of table saw users backing me up when I say that this is an excellent way to lose your fingers!

You don't even need to know anything about how a table saw works or the intricacies of what is and is not possible with this tool in order to see that it's dangerous. You need only your common sense.

The idea that I need to stand between two dogs with known food aggression issues and try to force them to eat "peacefully" together in order to find out what will happen is absurd.

It's like saying that you don't know that walking in front of a moving bicycle won't hurt because you haven't tried it.

Or that you don't know that telling your wife that she looks fat in those jeans will result in no sex for at least a week if not longer, because you haven't tried it.

Sure, you could get lucky once, three times, or fifty. But why on earth would you want to try?

Where is your common sense?

Espencer, did you go to high school or college?  b/c if so, wouldn't that be a waste of your time, reading and learning about things you will never do and places you will never go?

I don't have experience with littermates, period, but at our shelter we are not allowed to enter a kennel housing two dogs if we even have a treat in our pocket.  There HAVE been enough instances (even among trained vet staff and professional trainers/behaviorists) while trying to feed dogs together that nothing of the sort is allowed anymore.  In fact, if we have had food in our hands or pockets and *might* smell like food, we are asked to avoid two-dog kennels.

Even the professional, Cesar has a caveat in the beginning of the show about “non-professionals” attempting such techniques and it is clear.  
  
If only he knew about the “non-professionals” who promote the attempting of his techniques to people seeking help on dog forums.
 
I think he needs to expand his disclaimer to add “Please my followers stop telling JQP#%92s to use my techniques – I really want them to consult a professional, which you are not”.

It does not matter how many other examples everybody give, those examples are off topic, therefore
 
Have YOU done THIS techinque:
1.-Yes
2.-No

ORIGINAL: espencer

It does not matter how many other examples everybody give, those examples are off topic, therefore

Have YOU done THIS techinque:
1.-Yes
2.-No

 
Bienvenidos a espencer real. 
 
Welcome to the real espencer.  []

Well put, Ed.