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Posted : 9/10/2007 8:19:34 AM

"Positive training" is just a shortening of "positive reinforcement training", which is the primary (though usually not only) quadrent of operant conditioning used in that modality. I'd love it if someone could come up with a better term that's a little less unintentionally loaded, and personally I like LIMA (least invasive, minimally aversive) better, but until trainers start putting that term on their websites and brochures, if I'm going to recommend someone find a LIMA trainer, I'm going to tell them to find a "positive trainer" because that's what they're going to get hits for on google.

lostcoyote

Posted : 9/10/2007 9:34:26 AM

how about just calling it reward training?

mudpuppy

Posted : 9/10/2007 10:06:49 AM

I have never seen an i-collar in person. It looks like a really expensive version of what us who have been-around-for-a-bit would call a "dominant dog collar". A dominant dog collar is a nylon choker fitted up high on the dog's neck. [linkhttp://www.leerburg.com/746.htm]http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm[/link] will sell you one for $15, a lot less than the i-collar.
I have personally trained a dog to not-pull with a choker collar, and also trained numerous dogs to not-pull by other methods. Choker is by far the least effective method, especially if you are not highly skilled in your timing of the corrections.
I have seen A LOT of dogs going around choking themselves with a choke collar dragging their owners behind them, and can't imagine how purchasing an i-collar would help these people or their dogs. Prong collar, maybe.

lostcoyote

Posted : 9/10/2007 10:10:26 AM

the difference between the 2 collars is that the i-collar helps to keep the choker up high on the neck by virtue of the supporting structure.

the collar you link to is fine... but on many dogs, they do tend to ride down towards the dogs shoulders when the dog is pulling.

DPU

Posted : 9/10/2007 10:17:26 AM

ORIGINAL: lostcoyote

the difference between the 2 collars is that the i-collar helps to keep the choker up high on the neck by virtue of the supporting structure.

the collar you link to is fine... but on many dogs, they do tend to ride down towards the dogs shoulders when the dog is pulling.

In that other Illusion Collar thread I mentioned, Miradobe showed a picture of a $2 slip collar that is fitted and she says it does stay high.

Mudpuppy, you do have to see it work. The 60 year old ladies at the foster dog showing can attest that the dog learns the boundaries and does not pull.

mudpuppy

Posted : 9/10/2007 10:19:50 AM

if the choker is sliding down the dog's neck it's too big for the dog. Like a prong-- if fitted properly it stays on the neck where it is put. Collars that can be slipped on over the dog's head are always going to be too big and will slide down.