The Dog Whisperer??

    • Gold Top Dog
    Personally, if I were accused of being an extremist, I'd rather opt for positive than negative. And, just because Jean Donaldson's writing style is edgier than CM's, she might be fun at a BBQ, who knows?

     
    That could be true. However, whatever one's views of Ms. Donaldson's animal politics, The Culture Clash remains the book I give to first time dog owning friends. (and some that have had dogs for years). The section on the Gorns is alone worth the price of the book.
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    I do not believe that the general public has enough grasp to discern what Milan does and does try it at home. 
     
    I am sorry Liesje that I mostlikely misunderstood you !
     
     
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    Liesje, this is the only thing I disagree with with what you wrote. And I am sorry if I offended you.


    I'm not offended, I just don't get what you disagree w/ b/c it sounds like we both strongly disagree with alpha rolling or anything that comes even close.  I'm my original post is offensive, I will edit it, but I don't know what pieces to edit...
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    You know what, I just changed what I wrote above.  I think I need glasses.  Perhaps we agree a lot more!!  So sorry! (icon with coke bottle glasses)
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    ORIGINAL: Stacita

    I also think it's pretty silly that a person should attempt to act like a dog in order to earn a dog's respect and trust.

     
    Ok, lets think the other way, let's say that dogs are the highest species on earth and they rule the world, how would you like them to comunicate to you? just like dogs communicate to eachother or as the human you are? how it would be easier for you? By you trying to learn "dog lenguage" or because dogs in this "world" are smarter then the should speak "human" because they can? We know dogs are not humans and humans are not dogs but one of them is smart enough to know more that just one lenguage
     
    I think if we can put a human on the moon then is not that difficult to realize how to comunicate to the dog in a way that they were born to understand, we just need to know how and CM is very good at it
     
    ORIGINAL: kelly25369

    Here is what I think.... It takes weeks (maybe even months) to train a dog properly. What we see Ceaser and others 'show off' on TV is a quick turnaround of the dog. I am sorry, but this is not possible. It seems like Ceaser is jerking the dog around and being aggressive to get quick results.


     
    It seems that  you change the channel pretty quick [;)] CM says over and over there are not quick fixes, you can see sometimes good results from the beginning but that does not mean the dog is "fixed", the difference is that CM knows how to communicate that to the dog and the dog understands it immediatly.
     
    Instead of making the dog learn a new hole "lenguage" of hand signals and Q's (which is not wrong if you want your dog to learn to do specific stuff on command but the dog wasnt  born knowing that "lenguage", therefore takes longer)
     
    We are the smart species, we are the "smarter" ones here on earth, is easier for us to comunicate to dogs just like dogs do than make dogs learn a new "lenguage" so they can do stuff for us
     
    Finally someone like CM teaches customers how to do that but some viewers still dont like it, is like saying "i want to speak to Chinese people but i dont like Chinese lenguage, i will make Chinese people learn a new lenguage that i like so both can communicate to eachother"
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    All though I use many different methods depending on how or what I am working on with my dog, I have to defend the negativity that surrounds Cesar and the spin that he is abusive in some way.

    Maybe it doesn't occur to you, but it does to me that some of the skills involved in being an effective pack leader could be really useful no matter how many legs a potential aggressor might have. It's true, as Cesar points out, that dogs are dogs and not people, but energy is energy, and an animal (person or dog) who projects energies on the fear/aggression wavelength will tend to evoke the same response from those around him, whether from dogs or from people. Learning to break that automatic reflex response of fear and aggression and replace it with the "calm, assertive energy" of a good pack leader would be a tremendous skill to have, and the advantage of practicing with your problematic dog would be that their reactions give you instant feedback on how well you're doing.

    The producers of "The Dog Whisperer" are appropriately careful to caution viewers not to attempt the techniques shown in the program without consulting a professional, but it seems clear that the principles that Cesar demonstrates will work for anyone who learns to apply them properly. This is demonstrated over the course of every program by ordinary people of all kinds who start out as the demoralized, apparently helpless victims of the out-of-control, sometimes violent behavior (violent is not just biting, growling and snarling – how about jumping, scratching and bruising, pulling or tripping) of their beloved pets until Cesar teaches them that by properly controlling *their own* energy, they can become quietly effective, peace-creating leaders.

    So you could say that this program teaches basic techniques which will bring more peace into our lives as we learn how *not* to provoke, attract or engage the aggressive energies of others and learn instead how to cultivate a non-ego-based, calm, benevolent/assertive energy which has the entire "pack's" best interests at heart. And it shows us a physically unimposing man who uses his beautifully centered energy (and knowledge of canine body language) to very effectively disarm the aggression of his large pack of potentially dangerous dogs.

    We might also notice that he uses this same energy, in a gentle and good-humored way, to teach his well-meaning but misguided, doggy-whipped human clients that allowing themselves and others to be victimized by out-of-control animal instincts is not really the loving thing to do. It was fun, for example, to watch Cesar carefully catch himself midway into an eye-roll so as not to offend one client couple who had just confessed that the wife had been spending part of most nights in their guest bedroom **for six years** because if she got up during the night, her husband's jealous pet wouldn't let her get back in bed.  He fixed the problem in a moment but taught them and reminded them that it was their job to continue to use the techniques he showed them to make a lasting change.  How about the aggressive Sheppard mixes this week that would bite and snarl and then drag their owner around the house when anyone entered the house.  Did you notice that Cesar entered into their bedroom and NEVER touched them, once he projected his energy on them but his "tsst” and hands in front on them they submitted to the corner of the room and sat down and watched him.  That is projecting energy; there was NOTHING he did that was mean, abusive or shameful.  Could a layman do that?  NO.  Should they think they could or should, of course not but the lesson was clear, leadership and energy does pave the way to a balanced mind for the dogs but his message is clear too, hire a professional to help teach you how to get there.

    It seems to come as a surprise to most of Cesar's human clients that it's actually possible for them to exercise authority in a way that's not "mean", abusive, or some kind of destructive ego-trip that will crush their pet's spirit. I love it that this program is introducing people to the experience of exercising a truly benevolent form of power, the power that a good pack leader has to disarm out-of-control aggression on behalf of the well-being of all pack members, by projecting a "calm, assertive energy" which in no way undermines the loving bond they have with their animal companions.  Cesar does on a mere occasion place a dog down, gently I should add – personally I don't see this harmful and the dogs just say ok?  IMO it isn't an alpha roll, as an alpha roll is defined either.  And to compare to a human, just this past weekend I saw a mother hold her son down in the carriage at the grocery store while he was carrying on like a maniac to get out.  She was calm; she didn't yell she didn't say a word really..  she just let him carry on and with the exception of holding him down in the seat she didn't pay much attention to him (she gave us all a couple of smiles and rolled eye or two)  as she clearly didn't want this two year old running amuck around the store. As quickly as it began the child suddenly stopped.  She let go of him, thanked him and offered him a piece of cheese and a kiss!!  I thought that mother did a great job.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Presence and energy are amazing things, aren't they?  Techniques aside, dogs are body language communicators, and presence is sooooo much of the equation.

    We worked with a trainer who doesn't use CM's techniques, but he had that thing.  Heck, he made *me* want to stand up straight and obey. 

    I also have a friend who has no experience as a trainer, and has a very gentle manner, but dogs listen to him.  I think part of it may be that he has extensive martial arts training, and so his movement is fluid and he is confident in his body.  He loves animals, but is calmly in charge a all times. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Does anyone happen to watch Super Nanny?  Super Nanny and Cesar have identical methods; one is used on humans and one on dogs.  Super Nanny is all about rules, boundaries, limitations and affection and about being calm and assertive yet passionate.
     
    She teaches parent not to allow their children to control them, how and when to show affection and what happens when the children#%92s needs are not met.  One fine example is that there is a naughty spot that the children are made to go to after on warning, if they don#%92t and they run or refrain from going the parent is instructed to bring the child there and walk away.  If the child moves off they are to do it again and again until the child stays as asked.  Funny thing is these parents sometimes need to continue the effort for hours before the child finally complies.  Most of the time the parent is dragging, pulling or carrying the child to this spot over and over and over again.  But at the end, the children are all so much happier and say so to super nanny over and over again.  I learned to use these techniques with my sometimes hardheaded 6 year old.  If I warn him and he doesn#%92t comply I will say, once more time and you go to your room for 5 minutes.  If he does it, I don#%92t speak, I don#%92t negotiate, and I pick him up (at times kicking and screaming) and place him in his room and set the timer.  After a VERY short time of consistency he minds me find.  I almost never need to punish him after I have issues a warning. 
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Does anyone happen to watch Super Nanny? Super Nanny and Cesar have identical methods; one is used on humans and one on dogs. Super Nanny is all about rules, boundaries, limitations and affection and about being calm and assertive yet passionate.


    YESSS! This is spot on!  I was watching her the other day and had the exact same thought.
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    Swissy,

    I love Nanny Jo! LOL! I don't have kids, but I watch it anyway. It seems like a public service. Problem solving strategies for out of control households, to me, is much more satisfying programming than sitcoms in which people just make fun of each other and say nasty, hurtful things! [;)]

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    Whenever some draws a connection b/w Nanny Jo and CM I just have to encourage everbody to seek out the South Park Dog Whisperer episode where CM is called in to rehab Eric Cartman when all other methods (inclduing Nanny 911 or something like that) have failed.  It's priceless.  
    • Gold Top Dog
    Not a fan of super nanny, but I have different expectations for my dogs and kids.  I want obedient dogs, but thoughtful and self-driven kids.  Plus, my kid likes being alpha rolled.  [sm=lol.gif] She's a mad roughhousing ninja girl. 

    The South Park episode was hysterical.  We've taken to joking "I'm not acknowledging the child ...." 




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    I want obedient dogs, but thoughtful and self-driven kids.
     
     
    After raising to children to adults let me warn you about self-driven kids.[;)]  
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    I'd love to see that South Park episode, it sounds hilarious! The version of it on Youtube is sped up too fast to comprehend. What season/episode was it? I suppose netflix will have it?
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    ORIGINAL: Ixas_girl

    I'd love to see that South Park episode, it sounds hilarious!


     
    I've seen it twice. Laughed so hard I cried, both times! [:D]