So what does it mean (silly but serious question)

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    So what does it mean (silly but serious question)

     Bugsy is very tolerant of dogs that try to hump him - always has been.

    I just like to get a better understanding of dog communication - which is why I am asking this question

    Today a large golden- who is very nice and also a large dog - suddenly while I was talking to the owner started to consider how he was going to mount Bugsy.  He was already in pre-position humping.

    Bugsy acting like nothing was happening - I mean totally nothing - he was air sniffing and waiting for me to get back to walking.  I just calmly said something to the golden (who seemed quite soft) and the owner corrected him gently.  We just laughed about it.

    Bugsy isn't what I would call a submissive dog, I wish he had much better appeasement gestures, nor is he a particularly dominant dog.  The only time he started to get agitated by a dog that tried to dominate him was the large intact male GSD that put his head over B's shoulder's and growled.  B's hackles went up that time. 

    (I know those terms are sensitive but I am just using them to get my point across)

    BTW Bugsy has never tried to hump any dog, thing or human.  Nor have I seen him do the head over the shoulder thing the GSD did.

    Thoughts?

    He has no guarding issues and doesn't care when dogs that do have issues give him flack.

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    Sounds like Bugs is very confident with who he is! He sounds like a dog who doesn't need to prove himself. That is real confidence.

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    The dogs that I know that hump are real bottom of the rung submissive (non confident) dogs. I see the humping as passive agressive behavior (to put it in human terms). Neiko likes to hump whenever he can get away with it. And I would def. Classify him as passive aggressive

    The dogs that hate being humped also tend to be confidence problem dogs but in a different way. They are bold dogs that don't like other dogs in their space. Abbie is this way. The boldness makes her lack of confidence easy to over look. A good offense is the best defense type thing

    The middle of the road dogs don't seem to care and react like bugsy does "oh pleeaaase *rolls eyes*"

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    Jewlieee
    Abbie is this way

     

    Tootsie, is very much like Abbie when it comes to humping. Big mistake for the humpee.

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     thanks for the responses - as I said I am just curious. 

    He does react to some dogs ever since that one aggressive dog we used to see came after him time and time again but I still don't know why he does react to those few versus all the ones he doesn't.

    the best way to describe what I attribute his lack of concern of attempts to hump him is that he didn't take the other dog serious so he is calmly confident, no need to assert himself.

    Just fascinates me

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    Apollo isn't a humper. Apollo will move away from a humper, but if the dog hangs on Apollo will do the low growl, and if the dog doesn't get that warning sign Apollo's ready to throw down. But, once the humper is off him he's cool- not more fighting, he doesn't keep going with it. It's just like a "get the f* off me!". So, I usually get the other dog off him ASAP if the owner doesn't. I would describe Apollo as bold and confident, but mature (7-9yrs) and less tolerable of bulls*.

    Patty is a humper. She humps smaller than her size dogs. Her humping is usually brought out by over stimulation (like playing w/ another dog then bursting into zoomies).

    Molson isn't a humper. And he'll take whatever dog is humping him and just stand/sit there like "Maaaa....", and I'll get the humper off him or the owner will. Sometimes he just looks scared- too scared to move- when it's a much larger dog- and I don't blame him! Eeek!

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    If anything, I would say that Bugsy is a pretty self-confident guy who is pretty good at telling the difference between *benign* humping and *serious* humping.

    Humping has so many motives, and root causes, from stress, to mating, to control, to UTI's, to play. There is no *one rule* when it comes to humping, and it certainly does not always mean that one dog is trying to *one up* another.

    I would wager that Bugs knew that the GSD's humping was less about play and more about control, wheareas a younger, soft dog, may be either eliciting play or is displaying a bit of anxiety about the situation, and reacted accordingly.

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    Yes sexual experience also plays a part here. I know some stud dogs seldom mount anything outside of a serious meaningful encounter...young untried intact males will hump anything that is female many times. Sully does...and he is a VERY confident puppy...

    Girls....tend to tolerate humping A LOT LESS, from anyone, once they've been bred. They know what that means and they ain't having it. LOL. Least my girls do. But they mount each other like heathens when in season. LOL.

    Woe betide any dog that ever tried to mount one of my Akitas back in the day, too, for any reason...they took that as  serious SERIOUS breach of protocol and would attempt to end the dog that did it. They never themselves...mounted tho, they preferred the head over top domination. I think that...is more meaningful. Breedings between Akitas have always been described as a "robust" affair...for good reason LOL.

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    Kim_MacMillan
    I would wager that Bugs knew that the GSD's humping was less about play and more about control,

     

    just for clarification the GSD does the head over the shoulder thing - not humping

    all very interesting - dog communication truly amazes me

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    Yes, right, thanks for that. My bad! Still, the GSD was all about control and the other dog was not so much, by the sounds of it.

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    Kim_MacMillan
    Still, the GSD was all about control and the other dog was not so much, by the sounds of it.

    absolutely

    although B has been 'attacked' by humpers quite a few times LOL

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    There are some neutered males who seem to have a *hump me* tag on their forehead when they go out in public. I know a couple of dogs who seem to be targets for humping, and other dogs almost compulsively try to hump that dog, but not another dog in the vicinity, whether it's personality, communication signals, or scent, I have no clue, but I know a little JRT in particular who seems to bring on this sort of *attention*.

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    Kim_MacMillan

    There are some neutered males who seem to have a *hump me* tag on their forehead when they go out in public.

    That's my Molson!!

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    I had heard that neutering can cause the dog to smell a bit like a bitch, from a pheremone standpoint...not sure where I read that. Makes sense. Males often try to hump lactating bitches or those with UTI too, so perhaps in the absense of "doggy manly" smell it confuses things.

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    rwbeagles
    I had heard that neutering can cause the dog to smell a bit like a bitch, from a pheremone standpoint...not sure where I read that

     

    Ian Dunbar made the same comment at a seminar a few years ago.  Not sure that I agree that all neutered dogs smell like a bitch but I don't have the nose to determine that one way or another. lol

    Twister says he'll fight anyone who calls him a bitch or tries to hump him. Wink