How much??

K9kitchen on yahoo groups, run in part by monica segal, lists 1022 calories for inactive, 1322 moderately, and 1923 for active, for a 90lb dog.

You could start there, and see where you end up?  He's still young, right, so he might need even more?   a 100lb dog was about 70-100 calories more for each category than ones I listed.

Rice actually has a reasonable amount of calories, but meats vary widely.  You also might have to look online, not all packages list everything if it comes from a butcher or something.

Good luck, I hope you are able to get some information and get his stools back to normal! 

 This website is great for figuring out kcals http://www.nutritiondata.com/

fwiw i would think he would be eating at least 2000 kcals a day.  What you should do is calculate how many kcals of food he has been eating and go from there.  Bugsy age 4, being treated for hypothyroid, and weighing 105lbs gets about 2000kcals a day.  At just about a 1.5 yrs old he was eating closer to 3000kcals a day.

So near as I can figure... 6 cups is not quite enough for Gibby if I figured correctly...hes short a couple hundred. YIKES!

Well,,,except he is 95 lbs when I weighed him a week ago..... and he really is not over active I don't think.....he does sleep a lot during the day..just totally nuts when he is not sleeping half the time...lol!

kpwlee

 This website is great for figuring out kcals http://www.nutritiondata.com/

fwiw i would think he would be eating at least 2000 kcals a day.  What you should do is calculate how many kcals of food he has been eating and go from there.  Bugsy age 4, being treated for hypothyroid, and weighing 105lbs gets about 2000kcals a day.  At just about a 1.5 yrs old he was eating closer to 3000kcals a day.

Thanks...yes that the website I used for the calories.  Looking at Gibbys kibble...he eats 2352 kcals a day in dog food...then gets 3/4 C meat/veggie mix plus some yogurt in the AM.  Treats when he goes outside.    So if I figured correctly...he is getting about 1815 calories a day in the beef and rice mix.

How does that sound?

dyan

he eats 2352 kcals a day in dog food...then gets 3/4 C meat/veggie mix plus some yogurt in the AM.  Treats when he goes outside.

I see that a cup of rice is about 200 kcals and 100g (1/4 cup) of cooked ground beef is about 250kcals so it really depends on how much of each you have in your mix

Does he have stool problems if you feed ONLY kibble...with no meats, cheese, treats, etc added in?  I'd probably keep him on the kibble (assuming he's been doing well on it) and cut out the extras before I jump to adding new foods to a dog with a sensitive system.

grab01

Does he have stool problems if you feed ONLY kibble...with no meats, cheese, treats, etc added in?  I'd probably keep him on the kibble (assuming he's been doing well on it) and cut out the extras before I jump to adding new foods to a dog with a sensitive system.

 Actually before when he was having problems I was thinking kibble was the problem to be honest.   But I believe my one vet along with a few of you guys on this forum convinced me that maybe changing formulas was the problem. Since I have been feeding him the same formula he has had no problems at all.  I have always added  a topper of meat/veggies on one meal...his last. He does get yogurt in the AM.   All has been fine for several months now....except for this bout of whatever.   We are actually wondering if the hot dogs that we put in his kong ( only a half of one ) when we go away might have caused a problem.  

I did give him kibble this morning because I had to go buy some meat and cook it...thats what he got for lunch and dinner....... he had the soft stool in the AM then no more BM until tonight when we got home at 11......and then I kept him out until he went because I didn't want to have to get up during the night if he had a problem........when he went his stool was nice and firm.  So maybe....he just had a little problem for the day...or maybe it WAS the hot dog.   We didn't give him one tonight.  Guess we'll try it one more time when we go out again to and then we'll know...but again..we have always put some hot dog in a kong....never a problem before.  But never buy the same kind either.

I can't think that 2 meals of bland could have helped this quickly if he was really having a problem.    

The other thing ( now that I think of it ) is that the meat that he was eating for his topper...... had a lot of sweet potatoes in it....wonder if THAT could have been a problem. 

 If Crusher overeats, he gets soft stools.  Just a thought, but since Dane's mature faster, could his nutritional needs be reaching maturity, and thus he's starting to need a little less food?  If I understand correctly, you fed less kcals with the beef/rice mixture, so that would add up.

huskymom

If Crusher overeats, he gets soft stools.  Just a thought, but since Dane's mature faster, could his nutritional needs be reaching maturity, and thus he's starting to need a little less food?  If I understand correctly, you fed less kcals with the beef/rice mixture, so that would add up.

First..... I don't really understand Kcals....looking it up on the Internet....not possitive how many others do either....at least compared to calories which is something we are all used to watching.    

 But I can't really see Gibby eating too much food at this point.  I had a really hard time getting weight on him to begin with.... and everytime he seemed to be looking better...he would start showing his bones again.  Right now he is almost about perfect I think...but more on the slim side. He is only 95 pounds, looks thinner than most danes I see at work. Hard to compare pounds though because of size.  I had started feeding him 3 times a day because if I just fed him more twice a day he seemed to vomit.

Not sure that Dane mature faster, actually I think they might mature slower.

dyan

First..... I don't really understand Kcals....looking it up on the Internet....not possitive how many others do either....at least compared to calories which is something we are all used to watching.    

The "calories" listed on normal food are really kilocalories, or kcals (1,000 calories).  They just list them as calories .... well, I don't know why.  But when you think of calories for YOU, it's no different than kcals for a dog.  a calorie is something like the amount of heat needed to raise one cc of water by one degree C or something. Our food labels would show 142563 calories and the like, instead of 142 if they listed it that way.  It is confusing, but just know they are the same.

Sorry about your troubles, but good to hear that yesterday was looking better!

 1000 calories is one Calorie, or kcal. We don't think in little calories, but in kcals. My 20 oz Coke says 240 Calories on the side of it. It's 240 Big C Calories, so 240 kcal, and 240,000 calories.

jennie_c_d

My 20 oz Coke says 240 Calories on the side of it. It's 240 Big C Calories, so 240 kcal, and 240,000 calories.

Okay but so............................... we have been reading calories on pkgs/cans for years........why are they/we making it harder now but changing information and names???   I mean if the calories on my can of coke says 240 calories....why not call them calories?  If the dog food says 240 kcals....why not call them calories?   When you are dieting and read calories and calorie charts.........why not keep all the information the same?      I dont' get it.

BUT....................Gibby had a nice firm stool this afternoon...... so I am thinking he must have had a little issue..perhaps there is STILL that hot dog to think about.  But I think I will go to feeding him half kibble and half the meat I made him today....and work from there.

Maybe I jumped the gun....we all have upsets now and again......just that he was having problems for so long that I tend to think any problem is back to that.

 It's nothing new, we just know more now As far back as I know (middle school science, not all THAT long ago), it's been that way. It just didn't start being put on dog food bags til more recently, I guess.