Solid Gold's Latest Idiocy

I did read this but it only states that she should quit making these health claims.  Than this is no differant than any herbal product -animal or human,right? Any herbal thing on the market is not FDA approved---therefore all these manufactures are making false claims.

Any herbal thing on the market is not FDA approved---therefore all these manufactures are making false claims.

Bingo.

They can only say it *may* do something.

Im sorry, but you're a student and she has a Masters and a doctorate.I think she knows what she's talking about. She breeds Danes, she travels to Germany to get exceptional dogs to breed here and she obviously wants the best of health for her dogs.   What more is there to say?  I'm not saying you don't know what your talking about, but sometimes wisdom does come with experience--and she has been in the field a long time. Just because something is more current doesn't make it God's word.

And in reply to this

You think just becuase someone has a few letters after their name, they're the absolute authority? A master's and even a doctorate don't mean diddly squat if you aren't smart enouigh to make logical conclusions and instead jumping to unfounded ones.

How do you not know I'm not a few times smarter than she is? I have a bachelors of Biochemistry and I USED my degree through working at various labs across the cxountry over my summers, and I APPLY it, and know more about metabolics than most vets. I am not a wet-behind-the-ears college student. I'm willing to bet a d** sight I am if this woman just assumes that nutrition is the be all and end all of German Danes without having ANY statistics and research to back it up.

I am a huge proponent of holistic medicine. As are many of my colleagues in school. But it NEEDS more research behind it. That is actually going to be my goal as a researcher, once I recieve my DVM and go on to pathology and lab animal residencies - I want to put some solid scientific backing behind natural medicine, because I believe it has the POTENTIAL to be a great thing. POTENTIAL. Not actuality, not yet. There has been a lot of interesting anecdotal evidence, and I want to prove it right.

But don't go around and believe everything you hear. That is what makes people feed Ole Roy and Science Diet

My last post, but I couldn't hold back after reading this...

On Jan. 16, 1989, FDA investigator Evanguel Strickland, posing as a potential customer, telephoned Solid Gold. He said he was ordering several products for his "sick dog with arthritis" and mentioned that his dog had trouble conceiving. Harrington-McGill took the phone order and told him that Solid Gold's "Yucca-Anise" would "clear up arthritis by rebuilding the damaged tissue with new cells."  She also sold Strick three other products--"SeaMeal,"Concept-A-***," and "Positive Perls Oil of Evening Primrose"--which she claimed would relieve swelling, clear up rashes, and aid conception during breeding.

I am thoroughly convinced she is out to make a buck.

ANY sensible breeder would IMMEDIATELY try to dissuade a client who  was trying to *breed* a *sick arthritic dog* - instead, she tells him to go buy products that will aid in the process!

What is her degree in...business....?

Everyone is blowing this out of proportion! I did NOT say you did not know what you were talking about.  Just because you believe something will not  work doesn't make it  a rule. Yes, maybe she should have told him not to breed the dog,but he called for information, not a lecture on if he should breed or not.  How many breeders are out there ONLY for the money--look at all the puppy mills out there.  If you were sick and no medication worked.would you not give a holistic approach a try if you knew it helped you?

   When it comes right down to it, all the companies make a sales pitch and much of it isn't true. No one believed in natural

herbs years ago. first now, more people are considering it.Any time someone comes out with something out of the norm,there are skeptics. If you don't want to believe in a product, that's your perogitive,but don't push it on me If I feel differantly.   This is a discussuon,not something to prove who is smarter than who. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine!  This is no differant than the discussion on pitbulls---because a person may fear them doesn't

mean they should be criticized and told they don't know what they are talking about. We  are entitled to ourfeelings.Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are above everyone else.Down the road you may eat your words and end up trying something holistic and maybe it will work for you and maybe it won't.  But bottom line is no holistic herb has been tested long term, so ALL these companies are not necessarily making true claims when it comes to human use.

Just to add this, you keep bringing up something from almost 20 years ago,many things have changed since than--and I don't believe all vets either as they get a kickback for pushing certain products-don't kid yourself.

Where did I say I was against holistic medicine?

 I think it is a very promising field and I would have no problem using a *tested* product on my animal

Are you trying to paint me as one of the "old school evil vets" who only suggest Science Diet and hard drugs and laugh at things like acuopuncture and refuse to change their outdated ways or something? Read what I said above. I'm now leaving this thread because it has devolved into me defending myself.

 And vets DO NOT I repeat, DO NOT get a kickback for using products. That is a myth that has been perpetuated for years. How many clinics have you worked in? How many vets have you worked with? Hmm? You're spitting propaganda. I have NEVER worked with any vet, nor heard of any, that received a "kickback"

whtsthfrequency

You have GOT to be kidding me - using an unapproved, random herbal assortment ...

Ingredients:
Red Raspberry Leaves, Dried Seaweed Meal, Common Fennel, Lysine, Wild Yam, Peppermint, Beta Carotene, Folic Acid

I am with you 100% on this.  I can see Beta Carotene, but the rest....no way!   Looks to me like this stuff will make your dog sick.  Red Raspberry leaves....plant matter...Dried Seaweed meal...have you been to the ocean?  Does anyone really think their dog should be eating seaweed for goodness sakes....more plant matter.  Wild yam....another veg...no thanks...Peppermint...no thanks.  Hope this isn't one of those companies boasting the carnivore theme and giving you all those omnivore style ingredients.   Remember what my guy will tell....everytime a non-species appropriate ingredient enters into the marketplace a new problem arises, probably another mysterious allergy.  DON"T blame the Red Raspberry leaves and Seaweed buffet...it's gotta be the chicken or beef causing these problems...and people fall for it... hook, line and sinker. 

whtsthfrequency

Where did I say I was against holistic medicine?

 I think it is a very promising field and I would have no problem using a *tested* product on my animal

Are you trying to paint me as one of the "old school evil vets" who only suggest Science Diet and hard drugs and laugh at things like acuopuncture and refuse to change their outdated ways or something? Read what I said above. I'm now leaving this thread because it has devolved into me defending myself.

 And vets DO NOT I repeat, DO NOT get a kickback for using products. That is a myth that has been perpetuated for years. How many clinics have you worked in? How many vets have you worked with? Hmm? You're spitting propaganda. I have NEVER worked with any vet, nor heard of any, that received a "kickback"

maizysmom

Where do you see xylitol in Dragons teeth?I do not see that listed in the ingredients. 

Hmmm.... Maybe they removed it? It used to be there. I haven't fed anything from their lines, for years, because Emma became allergic to barley. 

The Lysine..if it's the same as L Lysine is something I have used with great success in clearing up Canine Papillomas. I've used Concept a B*tch and not had issues with it. But with an otherwise healthy b*tch I am not overly keen on adding anything...she should be able to do it on her own. Peppermint is nice for dogs with issues with car sickness.

I myself have only used the seameal and can't say I'd use it again for what it costs.My vet said to just give her some yogurt once in awhile. I've tried many foods supposedly for allergies and it seems Solid Gold works the best for my dal besides some vitamins and supplements. It may not work for every dog,but for my dal it helps make her more comfortable,not totally itch free but it helps. If something better came out on the market I would give that a try because you don't know how it will help unless you try it.

Kelp same thing as seaweed? No idea LOL.

But I've used that to build and hold pigment in a dog and it works great for that. Also many Akita folks use it for the helpful effect on the thyroid issue that crops up a bunch in the breed.

I don't get what you mean.  We were told to buy it to help with digestiblity and to allow the"friendly" bacteria to build up and adjust for optimum digestion of the new food. When I told our vet about this,that is when he said we could use plain yogurt.  Is this seameal stuff for something else?

It is kelp....so NI if it's the same thing...lol.

Solid Golds SEP works wonders on Poop eaters as well...good stuff but exxxxxpensive.