Solid Gold's Latest Idiocy

Ok, forget leaving if I am going to keep being badgered

 Read the reviews on Science Diet RateItAll reviews and tell me vets don't get a kickback.

 Ok...you believe bitter people who post on an internet review site? What are their qualifications? I would prefer seeing veterinary income reports from clinics, myself. And this? "Veterinarians belong to the Veterinarian Association (a Union for Vets), in belonging to said union, the vet must promote Hill's Science Diet/Prescription Diet and/or Eukanuba." There is no such thing as the "Veterinarian Association" - there is the American Veterinay Medical Association, and they have no economic connection to or reliance on any product.

 You seem to feel your word is Gospel Truth.Don't be so defensive and opinionated. 

 I did not say my word was the gospel truth. I said this is my opinion and I have a right to think so. I am defensive because you WERE insinuating that I didn't know enough about the topic to make an educated opinion. I DO.

This is a discussion on herbal products,not you and your education.

Then why did you bring up the fact that the reason you believe this woman was because of her education? Do you put stock in education or not?

 I did not say you didn't know what you are talking about, but Don't imply that I am stupid because I didn't go to college. 

 I never said that you were stupid. I said you shouldn't beleive things just because you heard them from someone with an impressive sounding degree - hey, I am not telling you to believe everything i say only because of my degree - I am saying *go and find real research* instead of just taking things as facts so quickly.

 That is the problem with society today, they are way too self absorbed in themselves.We are not discussing you,

The why did you bring up whether or not I was qualified to have an opinion based on my education and experience?

 We are discussing the pro's and con's of holistic medicine.

 You do not seem to be interested in any cons

rwbeagles

Kelp same thing as seaweed? No idea LOL.

But I've used that to build and hold pigment in a dog and it works great for that. Also many Akita folks use it for the helpful effect on the thyroid issue that crops up a bunch in the breed.

Yes, Kelp is a seaweed.

PS.  I noticed Gina you have dog.forum community moderator in your signature.  Why is it listed under 'more options' (bottom of each thread) it states the forums are unmoderated?  Are you a self-proclaimed moderator or am I missing something here?  In another thread (tech issues) Glenda made a reference that she is also a moderator.  I am confused.  Is there really a moderator?

LOL....

Moderator...yes. The forum is moderated...as it always has been. Jaime and Jill are Admin. New format doesn't have a title under the name like the old one (one of many different things that might get addressed at some point in the future perhaps) so we were asked to carry ID...which is in our sig or under the avatar in one case I think.

Unmoderated forum...what a terrifying thought. LOl...

YOU brought up the subject-not me .I merely gave my opinion on some of her findings and her education. You seem to not believe anything that is shown to you,but I am.  I will no longer discuss this with you as you only want to argue--Have a good day!

 We are discussing the pro's and con's of holistic medicine.  

I doubt that.  Holistic is about good health via nutrition.  It is about curing health problems via nutrition.  Dogs are carnivores and should be fed appropriately, that is what keeps them healthy.  Dogs are not herbivores, therefore they should not be eating herbs as part of a regular diet or supplement, that will only eventually make them sick.  Holistic concepts are supposed to cure, not make one sick.  Therefore, in regards to holistic foods and dogs, there is absolutely nothing holistic about feeding herbs to carnivores...it is contradiction in terms.

In one of the posts in this discussion,Callie helped someone out by suggesting a homeopathic remedy to help a dog with leakage issues and it worked for the dog.  I'm not saying as a nutrient,I'm saying  if it helps alleavate problems.

Sorry,I forgot to add,   why do dogs eat grass?  They are much smarter than we think.  My dal survived on grass, sticks, worms ,you name it, when they were left to fend for themselves and she is in very good health despite her allergies.

maizysmom

Sorry,I forgot to add,   why do dogs eat grass?  They are much smarter than we think.  My dal survived on grass, sticks, worms ,you name it, when they were left to fend for themselves and she is in very good health despite her allergies.

They eat grass to make themselves get sick.  Something in the regular diet obviously disagrees with the body and they must throw-up to get rid of offending ingredients.  If dogs are eating grass daily, then there is something in the regular diet that makes them want to throw-up daily....could be the seaweed buffet or any combination of inappropriate ingredients.

cc431

They eat grass to make themselves get sick. 

Your dogs get sick from eating grass? Gosh, none of mine ever have. 

No, mine doesn't sick from eating grass either.It's just every so often she will do this. And I know it's not the seaweed because she no longer gets it.  My son-in-law was raised on a farm and said there was nothing wrong with eating grass. It is amazing how much farmers know about animals and neither he nor his father went to college, but they have a wealth of information on just simple things about animals and caring for them.

Holistic is about good health via nutrition.

To clarify, "Holistic" is not about good health via nutrition.  Holistic is about treating and viewing the body as a whole versus its individual parts or individual symptoms...which goes beyond nutrition, nutrition is just part of the formula.

From Webster's Concise English Dictionary:

Holistic adj (attitude) which considers many sides to a problem; (medical treatment) which deals with the environment of the patient as well as the illness itself.

My personal view is that herbs and supplements (whether for medicinal purposes or maintenance & enhanced well-being) would obviously serve us better if they were researched.  The proof however is in the pudding.  As long as supplements and homeopathic remedies continue to prove effective, people will continue to use them for themselves and their pets.  I am wholeheartedly one of these people...however, I am informed and do my own research beyond wild healing claims made by companies, or by complementary health practitioners like myself.  I could run a long list of supplements and homeopathic remedies that have worked (& continue to work) for me, my family, my dogs, my friends and my clients (that do not cost an arm and a leg either) but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

My dogs have never thrown up from eating grass, for as long as 6 years now.  They been on various premium kibble & dehydrated raw diets; including high protein, no grain, with grain, etc...with and without supplements.  They are in excellent health & physical condition, with healthy skin and shiny coats.  One reason they eat grass is to get the moisture from it.

You seem to not believe anything that is shown to you,but I am.  I will no longer discuss this with you as you only want to argue--Have a good day!

TAOofGoldyShep

Holistic is about good health via nutrition.

To clarify, "Holistic" is not about good health via nutrition.  Holistic is about treating and viewing the body as a whole versus its individual parts or individual symptoms...which goes beyond nutrition, nutrition is just part of the formula.

From Webster's Concise English Dictionary:

Holistic adj (attitude) which considers many sides to a problem; (medical treatment) which deals with the environment of the patient as well as the illness itself.

My personal view is that herbs and supplements (whether for medicinal purposes or maintenance & enhanced well-being) would obviously serve us better if they were researched.  The proof however is in the pudding.  As long as supplements and homeopathic remedies continue to prove effective, people will continue to use them for themselves and their pets.  I am wholeheartedly one of these people...however, I am informed and do my own research beyond wild healing claims made by companies, or by complementary health practitioners like myself.  I could run a long list of supplements and homeopathic remedies that have worked (& continue to work) for me, my family, my dogs, my friends and my clients (that do not cost an arm and a leg either) but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

My dogs have never thrown up from eating grass, for as long as 6 years now.  They been on various premium kibble & dehydrated raw diets; including high protein, no grain, with grain, etc...with and without supplements.  They are in excellent health & physical condition, with healthy skin and shiny coats.  One reason they eat grass is to get the moisture from it.

jennie_c_d

cc431

They eat grass to make themselves get sick. 

 

 

Your dogs get sick from eating grass? Gosh, none of mine ever have. 

Nope, because my dogs don't eat grass (they have no need to make themselves get sick).  I did see her once nip at the tips of tall grass, but no means attempt to make a meal out of it.

cc431

Nope, because my dogs don't eat grass (they have no need to make themselves get sick).

Umm... this is what I'm not understanding. My dogs eat grass all the time. Emma, in particular, loves to lie in the grass and eat. It's never made her sick. Ever. She's been doing it for almost 4 years, now. She eats a far more "appropriate" diet than most dogs, out there.  She very, very rarely throws up, anymore, since I quit feeding her packaged foods.