spiritdogs
Posted : 12/16/2006 8:48:05 AM
ORIGINAL: Xeph
I know there are times when stronger methods can mean safety for a dog, but these things need to be used extremely judiciously, and not by novices.
I don't disagree, but I'm sick of e-collars being made to sound like they're the ultimate evil. The e-collar has saved Strauss' life. He's not sailing over fences for lapines anymore, he's not attempting to dart after a rabbit after he sees one, and he's not pulling me into the street trying to get to an infernal bun.
They have their place. I tried negative/positive reinforcement for the better part of a year with no effect. The jumping over the 6 foot fence was the big time wake up call.
Xeph, I know you think it saved you, but I wonder why you didn't do some heavy duty boundary training with this dog before he was able to get over a 6 foot fence. Also, for the lurkers, GSD's are notorious for fence-running, fence-fighting, etc., so personally, I would not enclose one in fencing that they can see out of if they show this tendency. It is "practicing" this behavior that reinforces it.
E-collars may save you once the bad habit is heavily entrenched, but really top notch training from puppyhood is what ensures you won't need it. That said, we all learn from each dog we train, and I fully expect that if you concentrate on really learning operant conditioning from the ground up (someone may have taught you incorrectly, not your fault), and you start from square one with the next dog, I'm confident that you can train so that this behavior won't happen.
The thing that always bothers me is that people who don't even train at all, unlike you, who are obviously interested learning, get the idea that the e-collar will solve all their problems. Unfortunately, I've seen the other side, too, where dogs are so traumatized by their incorrect use that they don't survive. Or, dogs that are so fearful that they have no relationship with the humans they are supposed to be working with and not simply for.
corvus, I can identify with only having positive methods to work with - I do that by self-limitation, and it has worked out very well for me. But, not everyone is a trainer, and not everyone has a real grip on what +R really means. The only thing we can do is keep informing and educating and hope that people all get to be better trainers than they are today

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