new purina product

Purina is still crap no matter how you cut it. Their food is mainly fillers and by-products and is masked with claims of wholesome natural ingredients.

Purina also has another food called Pro Plan Selects that claim to be "good" but along with this new Purina One, I cannot find the ingredient list on their website. If these foods are supposed to be "good" like Purina claims, why on earth don't they list the ingredients on their website?

They're there, but they're practically hidden

Natural Blends Chicken & Oatmeal
Chicken (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), brown rice, oat meal, whole grain corn, whole grain wheat, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), dried beet pulp, calcium phosphate, natural flavor, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, salt, canola oil, soybean oil, malted barley flour, dried sweet potatoes, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Natural Blends Lamb & Barley
Lamb (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), pearled barley, brown rice, whole grain corn, whole grain wheat, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), dried beet pulp, calcium phosphate, natural flavor, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, salt, canola oil, soybean oil, malted barley flour, dried sweet potatoes, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Pro Plan Selects Turkey Adult
Turkey, brewers rice, pearled barley, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, oat meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), dried egg product, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), pea fiber, dried beet pulp, fish oil, animal digest, calcium phosphate, potassium chloride, salt, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, calcium carbonate, dried tomatoes, blueberry pomace, dried sweet potatoes, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, choline chloride, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), niacin, copper proteinate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Pro Plan Select Turkey Puppy
Turkey, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), pearled barley, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), oat meal, dried egg product, pea fiber, dried beet pulp, fish oil, animal digest, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, salt, dried tomatoes, blueberry pomace, dried sweet potatoes, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, niacin, copper proteinate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Pro Plan Select Turkey Senior
Turkey, brewers rice, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, pearled barley, oat meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), dried egg product, pea fiber, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), dried beet pulp, fish oil, animal digest, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, salt, dried tomatoes, blueberry pomace, dried sweet potatoes, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), niacin, copper proteinate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

I know its still a crap food, but at least it is a little better than the original. I just hope other compainies like iams and science diet will do the same and improve the health of their formulas.

[:@]Hate to say it, but why should they?  People flock to buy bags of corn and crap for their dogs and there isn't a ton of incentive for them to actually spend MONEY to create a better product.  I suspect that the VAST majority of dog owners still think that Purina is one of the best and haven't a clue about reading labels.

Don't ever expect the major companies to 'improve' the quality of their foods. It's all smoke and mirrors. Pretty pictures, fancy descriptions.
 
What you need to understand is.. THERE IS NO MONEY IN KEEPING OR MAKING YOUR PET HEALTHY.  This is precisely why the courses on Pet Nutrition that are taught in vet schools across the country are funded by and texts are written by persons affiliated with Purina, Hills and Iams. That is exactly WHY those three brands are PUSHED by vets. Yes.. they are scratching each other's backs and keeping one another in business.
  Crappy food keeps your poor animal going to the vet for a slew of maladies including cancer, liver and kidney disease, etc. And the vets keep pushing these GARBAGE foods on the unsuspecting , uninformed, uneducated pet owner who takes their advice as gospel.
   Hopefully these people will all rot in hell for what they are knowingly doing to our beloved companions. How ANY of them sleep at night is beyond my comprehension.

Really, no matter what they call it.. it's still crap. here are the GARBAGE ingredients in these foods:
 
corn gluten meal
poultry by-product meal
whole grain corn
brewers rice ( grain by-product )
whole grain wheat ( it's WAY too high on the ingredient list )
animal fat
fish meal ( contains ethoxyquin )
animal digest
blueberry pomace ( pulverized skins from processed blueberries)
dried beet pulp ( this is still a controversial ingredient ...stool hardener)
Pea fiber ( put this in the category w/beet pulp )
canola oil ( genetically engineered and modified and can be toxic)
soybean oil
malted barley flour ( NO processed, refined grains are good )
menadione
 
They're desparately trying to mislead the public by including  "whole grain" in their products, and jumping on the "all natural" bandwagon by throwing in inferior quality ingredients made to look 'healthy' like the blueberry pomace and dried sweet potatoes which are so far down on the ingredient list they're there primarily for show.

And the vets keep pushing these GARBAGE foods on the unsuspecting , uninformed, uneducated pet owner who takes their advice as gospel.
  Hopefully these people will all rot in hell for what they are knowingly doing to our beloved companions. How ANY of them sleep at night is beyond my comprehension.

 
You're insinuating that the Vets are conspiring with the food companies and making a conscious choice to keep pets unhealthy to increase their own bottom line.  I just don't believe this.  I think most Vets are focused on the medical aspect of their education/practice and are a bit naive when it comes to nutrition.  I use the word 'naive' because I think most of them are well meaning, they just don't know any better.  They're trying to stay up to date on advanced technique and treatment, new diseases, local outbreaks, etc, etc.   I don't believe for a second that there is a conspiracy to line their pockets at the expense of our animals health (I'm referring to the VETS  - not the food companies!!) 
 
 

I'm not 'insinuating' anything.  There is enough reading material out there to back this 'theory'. All you have to do is open your eyes and look for it. It's a no-brainer really. Do you honestly think that all vets are in their profession because of their "love for animals " ? That's a naive stance to take. There are many, like others in many professions who are 'in it for the money'. And there is ALOT of money to be made doling out prescriptions, pumping vaccines, charging for office visits, etc. Do you really think they're not getting kickbacks for pushing all those crap foods ?? Come on, get real.  This is not the vet clinic from Mayberry RFD we're talking about here.

Sure, there are alot of vets who are 'unknowingly' pawns in this conspiracy. After all.. they're not taught proper pet nutrition in vet school. They are taught one thing...whatever Iams, Hills and SD WANT them to know and nothing else. Talk to ANY holistic vet who has actually studied pet nutrition. They would never push this crap on their patients because they know what they're dealing with.
Talking to most vets about nutrition is like talking to a priest about sex.  They don't know ANYTHING except for what they've been told.

Here's some interesting reading for you :

[linkhttp://www.rawmeatybones.com/PFIC.html]http://www.rawmeatybones.com/PFIC.html[/link]
 
So just what would you call it when an entire industry heavily promotes garbage and waste products as 'healthy food' for pets, KNOWING the dangers of all the toxic ingredients, the liver and kidney damage, cancer, bone & joint problems, skin and coat problems and other medical maladies that have been proven to be directly attributed to the crap they're spending millions of dollars marketing to naive consumers as 'wholesome and nutritious' ? And the vets can't be THAT stupid to not realize that these conditions are food related, and they can't be THAT stupid to not realize that a dog cannot live on grains and crap and not meat no matter how pumped full of artificial nutrients it is. [:@]

Sharon, while there are certainly vets who are NOT in it for the love of animals, while there are vets who *might* take kickbacks from the drug companies, the food companies, etc, its patently unfair to TAR all vets with the same shyster brush.
 
Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that's what it IS, not verifiable fact.  And please don't beat us over the head with your opinions.

I'm agree with labcrab- I don't think vets are making a conscious choice to keep pets unhealthy any more than doctors want people to remain sick. 

Science Diet already made Nature's Best, years ago. It, too, is crap.

Talking to most vets about nutrition is like talking to a priest about sex. They don't know ANYTHING except for what they've been told.

 
Oh, Sharon, you do crack me up!
 
I have to  agree with the smoke and mirrors description - to get the protein % that high off just lamb urina must have put in a ton of corn gluten.
 
I wonder what Remillard would say about this "slick advertising" approach?

I am sorry I am still getting used to the new forum and can't seem to figure out this quote thing but,

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Do you honestly think that all vets are in their profession because of their "love for animals " ? That's a naive stance to take. There are many, like others in many professions who are 'in it for the money'. And there is ALOT of money to be made doling out prescriptions, pumping vaccines, charging for office visits, etc. Do you really think they're not getting kickbacks for pushing all those crap foods ?? Come on, get real. This is not the vet clinic from Mayberry RFD we're talking about here.

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This is so disheartening that you would say this. It makes me sad. I worked in a clinic for years, and these people love your animals so much.

I don't know any vet (and I know a lot of them very personally) that get any kind of kick back from any food or drug company. Do you know what the profit is on a bag of RX food? ABOUT 3-5 dollars. The food companies come in and buy lunch and talk about their products, that is about the only perk that I am aware of. That is a lot of vet's only point of reference.

I am so offended by this. Do you know how much vets/ techs make? (Not very much a all)

Do you know how much it costs to run a hospital? (a lot!)

Blame the drug companies, or anyone but who you are blaming. This really makes me sad.