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    • Gold Top Dog
    I'm using solgar bone meal powder with vitamin B12.  I bought it at a vitamin store.  Is this okay?
    • Bronze
    solgar bone meal powder

    I think it has iron and copper in it. Look on the back label and see how much iron and copper it has.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Meat contains a high level of phosphorus.  So, when you are feeding meat and NOT bone you need to supplement calcium.  (which the dog would normally be getting in bones)  Dogs have a greater need for calcium than humans do.  ALSO, they should be getting a proper calcium to phosphorus ratio.  The ratio is 1.2 to 1.4 parts calcium to one part phosphorus. 
     
    The proper ratio is important because if there is more phosphorus than calcium in the diet, there will be signs of calcium deficiency even when an adequate level of calcium is actually present. 
     
    For a 30 lb dog---Minimum requirement per day--
    Calcium--1618 mg
    Phos--1210 mg.
     
     
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    All the above and below information is from the book I suggested called Better Food for Dogs--
     
    For a 30 lb dog--
     
    This makes 4 servings--
     
    Chicken & Rice
     
    3 1/4 cups cubed cooked boneless skinless chicken breat
    2 1/2 cups cooked long-grain brown rice
    1 2/3 cups puree vege/fruit mix
    1 3/4 tbsp canola oil
    1/4 tsp iodized salt
    1/4 potassium chloride (salt substitute)
    Bonemeal/multi-vitamin supplement
     
    Mix all ingredients together and divide into 4 equal portions.  So, you're getting two meals a day for two days.
     
    Stir supplements into 1 portion and serve immediately.  Stir supplements into each portion just before serving. 
     
    They give the veggie/fruit mix example--
    1/4 cup finely chopped peeled carrot
    1/4 cup finely chopped ripe tomato
    1/2 cup chopped green beans, cooked and drained
    quarter of an apple, cored
     
    It suggests pureeing them but I've always just mashed them up good.
     
    They give the variations--
     
    You can use beef--2 1/4 cups drained, cooked lean ground beef
     
    Turkey--3 1/3 cups cubed boneless skinless turkey breast
     
    Macaroni instead of rice--use 2 3/4 cups drained cooked macaroni
     
    Potato 4 1/2 cups cubed peeled potato--OMIT the salt substitute
     
    It gives a nutritional analysis--
    for the chicken and rice--
    393 kcal
    37 g protein
    37 g carbs
    9.8 g fat
     
    approximate calcium--99 mg
    approximate phos--512----------------so you'd need to supplement the difference--
     
    This is so complicated, I've learned here to use about 1/2 teaspoon of bonemeal or egg shell powder per lb of meat and I do that instead of all the math and figuring.  She's done well with it and I haven't read of anyone here having any issues either.  But, this is the way the book does it. 
     
    This is my dog cook book.  It clearly explains everything about the supplements, gives the amounts based on the dogs weight and then the recipes.  It was 18.95 and well worth it.  I reference it all the time.
     
    Hope this helps. 
    • Bronze
    Meat alone has a Phosphorus ratio of 1:20 (I think thats right). To much phosphorus can attracted the calcium forming a chemical bond. If there is to much meat with out the correct amount of bone, the phosphorus in meat would draw calcium from the pets bones resulting in bone deformities, limping, teeth problems and muscle failure.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Yikes!  All this information and math!  I'm not good when it comes to numbers.  I'm so confused and I went to college!  LOL!  Thank you Willow, for the recipe.  I am going to get that book. 
     
    Okay, this is what my brand of bone meal powder says:
     
    Protein: <1g     1%
    Vitamin B12 (as cobalamin):  25 mcg    417%
    -What is cobalamin?
    Calcium (as calcium oxide, from bone meal):  1000mg    100%
    Phosphorus (as phosphorus oxide from bone meal):  600mg    60%
    Sodium:  35mg    1%
    Bone Meal Powder (as tricalcium phosphate):  5g    (5000mg)
     
    I feed 1/3 pound of meat and 2 teaspoons of bonemeal powder.  I have no idea what I am doing for the phosphorus/calcium ration.
     
    Thanks for everyone's help.  I really appreciate it.  I want the best for my dog.
    • Gold Top Dog
    One more thing, there were never any bones in the dog food and I never gave Jake any bones anyway.  So does that mean he wasn't getting calcium from his dog food?
    • Bronze
    In some kibble they add the calcium.
    What are the things you add along with the cook diet?
    You have the meat and you add bone meal powder. What other foods and supplements do you add?
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Sorry, if you've already mentioned this.  But, how are they measuring the bone meal??  Example--Is it one teaspoon per day or  . . .??
     
    Dog food is balanced for calcium/phos and pretty much everthing else.  When you homecook you've got to do it yourself.  You've got your ingredients and your supplements/vitamins, minerals, etc.  Just like with dog food, you'll see all the ingredients listed starting with what foods are in there and then the supplements.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Willow,
     
    This is the recipe I use.
     
    -1/3 LB. of meat (beef, pork, lamb, chicken turkey, duck, vension, rabbit)
    -either 3 cups of potatoes cooked with skin or 2 cups macaroni cooked (I use wheat free pasta).  I usually lessen the amount of potatoes or macaroni because it overpowers the meat
    -2 tablespoons of sardines, canned in tomato sauce
    -1 tablespoon of canola oil (sometimes I add a little more)
    1/4 teaspoon of salt substitute 10 gr. bonemeal (the bonemeal I have is 5g per teaspoon, so I use 2 teaspoons of bonemeal.
    I mix this all together and separate into 2 dishes.
     
    That's all the recipe calls for.  It provides the caloric needs of 30lb. adult dog.  I make 2 portions out of this recipe, breakfast and dinner.  I could double or triple the recipe and have enough for 4 or 6 portions.
     
    I have been adding green beans to that recipe.  I'm also thinking of adding some oat bran for fiber.  What do you think about that?  My sister adds wheat bran to her dogs meal.  She homecooks too, but Jake is allergic to wheat.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    There's another book called Home Prepared Diets for Cats and Dogs by Donald Strombeck. It has recipes in there for all kinds of healthy and ill dogs. it is good. he states exact amounts for weights and bonemeal is used in the recipes.  We moved and I lost my copy so I'm sorry but I can't give you an amount of bonemeal. it's a good homecooking book.
    • Gold Top Dog
    According to my book, these are the requirements. So, if you're giving 10,000mg you are oversupplementing by a lot.

    For a 30 lb dog---Minimum requirement per day--
    Calcium--1618 mg
    Phos--1210 mg.

    Also, according to my book, if you are using potato you should eliminate the salt substitute.  The reason--you are using it to supplement potassium which potato has a lot of naturally, so you don't need to add it in.
     
    I think you could give him green beans or oat bran but with the oats, I'd probably use them in place of the rice, or other carb/starch in the recipe.  Unless of course, your only going to give him a spoonful or so. 
    • Bronze
    Potatoes has about three grams of protein, 2710 grams of dietary fiber, 750 grams of potassium. Potatoes is a good source of vit C also. ;Potatoes also has a lot of starch too. You could add oats to the diet as a source of fiber. If Jake is allergic to wheat you may want to look at the ingredients of your macaroni because some macaroni is made with semolina which is coarsely ground durum wheat.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I sent you a PM.  [:)]
    • Bronze
    I was looking through my old recipes I had for one of my shepherds, he didn't like raw so I cooked his food. If you want them let me know and I'll give them to you. One is a crock pot recipe, pot pie, meaty rolled oats, and chicken soup.