Good report for ProPlan salmon formula

I've always had the best result with the Pro Plan fish formulas as well, both the selects and Sensitive Skin and Stomach.  I have tried Natural Balance, Wellness, TWO and Pinnacle fish formulas and I get by far the best results with Pro Plan.

I've always had the best result with the Pro Plan fish formulas as well, both the selects and Sensitive Skin and Stomach. I have tried Natural Balance, Wellness, TWO and Pinnacle fish formulas and I get by far the best results with Pro Plan

 
    I think it's partly because of the relatively high amount of protein and fat. I know someone who breeds and shows and feeds this to her dogs. Jessie can't try it because of the salmon and brewer's yeast though.

This looks pretty decent to me. Where do you buy it? Is it something that people can get a little more easily than some of the other foods?

ORIGINAL: Stacita

This looks pretty decent to me. Where do you buy it? Is it something that people can get a little more easily than some of the other foods?

It's available at Petsmart and Petco in my area. []

Our 2 dogs do very well on the Pro Plan Sensitive systems.  Haven't tried the Selects version yet.  This time of year one of ours always chews and licks his paws.  I know it's environmental but the fish dog food seems to calm things down. 

be aware that generic fish meal contains an ingredient that may very well shorten your dog's lifespan:  so you may have excellent results with this food for eight years, and then your dog may develop cancer or kidney disease. From the food? you'll never know.
 





Fish Meal

AAFCO: The clean, rendered, dried ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish or fish cuttings, either or both, with or without the extraction of part of the oil.
Like with all other animal sources, if a type isn't specified, you never know what type or quality of fish is used.
According to US Coast Guard regulations, all fish meal not destined for human consumption must be conserved with Ethoxyquin (unless the manufacturer has a special permit). This preservative is banned from use in foods for human consumption except for the use of very small quantities as a color preservative for spices. So unless the manufacturer either presents a permit or states "human grade" fish or fish meal is used, you can be pretty sure Ethoxyquin is present in the food even if it is not listed.
 





Ethoxyquin

6-ethoxy-1,2-dihydro-2,2,4-trimethylquinoline. Antioxidant; also a post-harvest dip to prevent scald on apples and pears.
Originally developed by Monsanto as a stabilizer for rubber, Ethoxyquin has also been used as a pesticide for fruit and a color preservative for spices, and later for animal feed. The original FDA permit for use as stabilizer in animal feed limited use to two years and did not include pet food, but it falls under the same legal category. It has never been proven to be safe for the lifespan of a companion animal.It has been linked to thyroid, kidney, reproductive and immune related illnesses as well as cancer, but so far no conclusive, reliable research results either for the safety of this product or against it have not been obtained. Monsanto conducted research years ago, but results were so inconclusive due to unprofessional conduct and documentation that the FDA demanded another study. There are currently several studies underway to determine whether Ethoxyquin is safe or not, and until those studies are completed, pet food suppliers may continue to use Ethoxyquin. This is how things stand after about 6 years, and no new details have emerged so far.
 

be aware that generic fish meal contains an ingredient that may very well shorten your dog's lifespan: so you may have excellent results with this food for eight years, and then your dog may develop cancer or kidney disease. From the food? you'll never know.

In my professional opinion, fish meal is a good source of protein, regardless of which fish it came from.  There is no way to tell if ethoxyquin was added before the processing which means if it was, it is in such trace amounts that it is completely negligable.  The only reason it would be added is so the fish can stay as fresh as possible before it reaches the rendering plant.  After processing, most of the ethoxyquin is broken down and "lost" which is why they don't feel it necessary to have it listed on the label.  If they don't add it after the processing (which means it's not labeled on the bag), then it is not a cause for concern.   There are more harmful  "products" in the air we breathe...

    Eagle Pack has both of the necessary permits; Department of Transporatation as well as the Coast Guard permit, and I know some other companies use ethoxyquin free fish as well. If you want to know whether or not there's ethoxyquin in the ProPlan or any other fish based food, ask the company; it's how I learned the salmon meal used in Nutro Natural Choice has ethoxyquin. I respect your opinion, but it's a risk I'm not willing to take, and I'm probably being overly cautious. This is what the regulation states;
 
   At the time of production of the material, it must be treated
with at least 400 ppm antioxidant (ethoxyquin); in the case where the
material contains more than 12 percent fat by weight, it must be treated
with at least 1000 ppm antioxidant (ethoxyquin) at the time of ethoxyquin) at the time of
production.
f) The material must contain at least 100 ppm antioxidant
(ethoxyquin) at the time of shipment.
d) Shipment of the material in bulk must take place within twelve
months of the date of production.
(e) The temperature of the material to be loaded must not, at the
time of loading exceed 35 C (95 F), or 5 F above ambient
temperature, whichever is greater.
(f) The material must contain at least 100 ppm antioxidant
(ethoxyquin) at the time of shipment.
(g) Each shipment of the material in bulk must be accompanied by a
(g) Each shipment of the material in bulk must be accompanied by a
statement in which the shipper certifies:
(1) The moisture content of the material;
(2) The fat content of the material;
(3) The concentration of antioxidant (ethoxyquin) in the material in
ppm at the time the material is loaded on a vessel in bulk;
 
   

The only reason it would be added is so the fish can stay as fresh as possible before it reaches the rendering plant.

 
So why is it banned from foods intended for human consumption if it's such a wonderful thing to add to fish?

You left out a deal breaker for me in the ingredients list.   Menadione
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This is copied from the dog food project

[/color]"Here is a list of negative effects of menadione on the body.

• causes cytotoxicity in liver cells
• causes formation of radicals from enzymes of leucocytes, with the consequence of cytotoxic reactions
• considerably weakens the immune system
• possible mutagenic effects
• damages the natural vitamin K cycle
• has no effect on coumarin derivatives, which are often present in commercial food due to mold contamination (toxic when ingested)
• causes hemolytic anemia and hyperbilirubinemia, not just linked to large doses
• disturbs the level of calcium ions (Ca2+) in the body, which is an important factor fibrinolysis
• is directly toxic in high doses (vomiting, albuminuria), unlike natural vitamin K
• builds up in tissue and has been detected in eggs, meat and milk of animals supplemented with menadione derivatives
• causes irritation of skin and mucous membranes
• causes allergic reactions and eczema"

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  I rest on mine.

You left out a deal breaker for me in the ingredients list. Menadione

 
This was a concern to me as well. Otherwise, I have seen dogs do very well on Pro Plan. A couple yrs. back, my one Pug with the sensitive stomach did wonderful on Pro Plans sens. skin and stomach, he loved it too, right up there with Eagle Duck potato for him. I would also like to know if the fish meal is ethoxyqouin free. Gosh, come to think about it, I feed frozen Bil Jac to several Pugs which has fish meal, I should check it out it out with them!  

Here is a list of negative effects of menadione on the body.

causes cytotoxicity in liver cells
causes formation of radicals from enzymes of leucocytes, with the consequence of cytotoxic reactions
considerably weakens the immune system
possible mutagenic effects
damages the natural vitamin K cycle
has no effect on coumarin derivatives, which are often present in commercial food due to mold contamination (toxic when ingested)
causes hemolytic anemia and hyperbilirubinemia, not just linked to large doses
disturbs the level of calcium ions (Ca2+) in the body, which is an important factor fibrinolysis
is directly toxic in high doses (vomiting, albuminuria), unlike natural vitamin K
builds up in tissue and has been detected in eggs, meat and milk of animals supplemented with menadione derivatives
causes irritation of skin and mucous membranes
causes allergic reactions and eczema"

 
With a little alterations, this list could describe ANY ingredient.
You could pick ANY ingredient and come up with a list of negatives! Also, how do we know that some of these better foods that we're feeding or raw/homecooked for that matter, won't show SOME form of complications 8, 10, or 12 years down the road. I suppose, in these cases, we will say that our dog that developed cancer or renal failure was predisposed because of some genetic factor. We certainly won't blame it on the high priced food we've researched, preach about, and defended for so many years.
 
I have faith that Jenna has done enough research and has enough education on this subject, to make an informed decision that she can feel comfortable with, regardless of public opinion.

We just lost our nearly 10 year old girl (who I wanted to live forever) last march and I fed her only the very best:  Innova, Solid Gold and Chicken Soup her whole life and the vet said she died from something rare, suddenly.  It's not all about the food; I believe genetics plays a bigger part.  My belief is now, find a food your dog is healthy on--look at his coat, vitality and poop and that is the right food.  If his poop is runny, he's lethargic or won't eat and has a dull coat, its not right even if it is $100 a bag no matter what the marketers will have you believe.