all life stage foods... split from raw for puppies

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

The great dane lady rubs me the wrong way, but I don't automatically discount Eagle pack just because her name is stamped across it in big bold letters... I only ignore those parts that I know are false, like the enzymes and yeast etc.

Could you elaborate on the yeast and enzymes thing? I'm really interested in hearing what you think of that.... maybe you could PM me if you wouldn't mind? Pretty please!! []

So who DO you like???

I KNEW you were going to ask that []

I like Monica Segal,Lew Olsen/Brenda Warner(both from b-naturals),Ian Billinghurst,i also like Tom Lonsdales philosophy,even if a bit overdramatic and extreme.

you just wish you could take bits of each and put them into a new person?

And a little bit of that to. I'm not sure i could say that i agree 100% with anyone....

Could you elaborate on the yeast and enzymes thing?

 
 I know you asked Misskiwi and she's much more qualified to answer this, but I think the product she recommends called Nzymes doesn't do anything to help with allergies and other problems. I also don't like her yeast kit; systemic yeast infections are rare and I don't believe that her yeast kit does any good(JMO).  I like her list of recommended foods and her idea of adding some fresh foods to a dog's diet.

   I really like Monica Segal and have some of her booklets and have her newsletters bookmarked; I like some of the Great Dane Lady's information.

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

Could you elaborate on the yeast and enzymes thing?

I know you asked Misskiwi and she's much more qualified to answer this, but I think the product she recommends called Nzymes doesn't do anything to help with allergies and other problems. I also don't like her yeast kit; systemic yeast infections are rare and I don't believe that her yeast kit does any good(JMO).  I like her list of recommended foods and her idea of adding some fresh foods to a dog's diet.

You pretty much nailed it, plus the fact that she uses incorrect terminology that tells me she doesn't know what she's talking about on top of only wanting to sell products.

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

   I really like Monica Segal and have some of her booklets and have her newsletters bookmarked; I like some of the Great Dane Lady's information.

Would you be willing to PM me some of those bookmarks?

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom


I agree, but what probably bothers Edie and bothers me is that she has said that it doesn't matter whether a dog gets its protein from corn or meat; most of us prefer the protein source is based on meat.

Actually, if you read through more of the FAQs on her site, you will find that she recommends selecting a food that has an animal protein among the first 3 ingredients.  Corn is used in pet foods primarily for its starch to hold the kibble together.  It provides very little protein.  Most pet foods provide protein from a balance of animal and plant sources.  The corn can provide some amino acids that may be missing in the other protein sources.

Remember, it is the final product and its bioavailability that matters and not so much which ingredients were used to create that complete and balanced final product.

Remember, it is the final product and its bioavailability that matters and not so much which ingredients were used to create that complete and balanced final product.

Okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this...but are you really saying that the ingredients don't matter to you as long as the final product is "complete and balanced?"

So...if it were possible for a food to contain the proper amoutn of protein, fat, and other nutrients while bieng made of, say....chicken feathers, dirt, feces, and soy hulls, you would be okay with this? [&:] erhaps that's an extreme example, but that's what I got out of that statement.

If that's the case, then I seriously disagree with you...and I think most other people here will. To me, WHAT my dogs are eating is just as important as the nutrients they glean from it.

ORIGINAL: Ratsicles

Remember, it is the final product and its bioavailability that matters and not so much which ingredients were used to create that complete and balanced final product.

Okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this...but are you really saying that the ingredients don't matter to you as long as the final product is "complete and balanced?"

So...if it were possible for a food to contain the proper amoutn of protein, fat, and other nutrients while bieng made of, say....chicken feathers, dirt, feces, and soy hulls, you would be okay with this? [&:] erhaps that's an extreme example, but that's what I got out of that statement.

If that's the case, then I seriously disagree with you...and I think most other people here will. To me, WHAT my dogs are eating is just as important as the nutrients they glean from it.

Yes, you are misintrepreting what I said, as you are well aware based on your own admission.  Re-read what I wrote.  "It is the final product and BIOVAVAILABILITY" that matter.  The theoretical product used in your example would not be bioavailable to the animal.

Sometimes I think about how glad I am that we, and human nutritionists, don't use the same type of criteria in determining a diet that is healthy and appropriate for humans. 

We're heading towards testy here....lets tone it down a bit.

Misskiwi- you may be interested in getting Monica's newly released book Optimal Nutrition   [linkroducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b]http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b[/link]>http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b]http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b[/link]
 
One of the moderators on her yahoo group recently mentioned that it has been accepted by Ohio State University as recommended reading for small animal nutrition classes.

ORIGINAL: shorthair

Misskiwi- you may be interested in getting Monica's newly released book Optimal Nutrition   [linkroducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b]http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b[/link]>http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b]http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25&roducts_id=101&osCsid=dd54b6f0440394c1e72d1f2745ebfe0b[/link]

One of the moderators on her yahoo group recently mentioned that it has been accepted by Ohio State University as recommended reading for small animal nutrition classes.

Got it...

Original: Misskiwi67
 
The great dane lady rubs me the wrong way, ... I only ignore those parts that I know are false [emphasis added], like the enzymes and yeast etc.

What is it about the enzymes and yeast that you question - the quality of the products, the nutritional claims for dogs, the nutritional claims for people, something else?  I know you are not questioning the existence of enzymes and yeast - right?  [sm=joker.gif]

ORIGINAL: janet_rose

Original: Misskiwi67
 
The great dane lady rubs me the wrong way, ... I only ignore those parts that I know are false [emphasis added], like the enzymes and yeast etc.

What is it about the enzymes and yeast that you question - the quality of the products, the nutritional claims for dogs, the nutritional claims for people, something else?  I know you are not questioning the existence of enzymes and yeast - right?  [sm=joker.gif]

Nope, I'm questioning her ability to tell the difference between Candida and Malassezia, she treats them like they're one and the same. It just shows a basic lack of knowledge of infectious organisms, and if she can't tell the difference, should she really be giving medical advice?

I'm questioning the usefulness of enzymes in the diet. Many raw feeders believe they're feeding "beneficial enzymes" that exist naturally in the food. Ok, so lets pretend there ARE digestive enzymes in the foods. Put a clean steak, free of bacteria, in a baggie and let it sit on a warm windowsill. How long will it take to digest?? How long will it take to digest in your dogs stomach? Even if there are enzymes in the meat, they do not and cannot contribute significantly to digestion. They are nothing more than another protein that is digested along with the rest.

ONLY dogs that have digestive issues need additional enzymes. Anything else is just money in the great dane ladies pocket.