Letter from Merrick to the FDA re: downed stock in pet food (2004)

    • Gold Top Dog
    The big issue right now is brains and spinal cord of cattle due to "Mad Cow Disease" and the related "Panicked Human Syndrome." Ironically, I have yet to see any fuss in the pet food community about our beloved venison formula foods and "Chronic Wasting Disease." Chronic Wasting Disease is closely related to "Mad Cow" and is much more prevalent in US Deer than Mad Cow has ever been in the US or even worldwide. Oh well, we have never been a nation that picks our panics on a rational basis.


    Nature's Variety uses venison imported from New Zealand, where deer are raised on farms;  [linkhttp://www.deernz.org/n3.html]http://www.deernz.org/n3.html[/link]; 





     
     

    NZGIB's Position on CWD
    2/14/2001

    Wellington, New Zealand – The New Zealand Game Industry Board has issued the following information in response to recent media stories relating to instances of Chronic Wasting Disease in Canada and the United States. The information is to clarify that CWD is not present in New Zealand and to provide further background to CWD.
    The New Zealand Government#%92s Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry (MAF) has provided assurances that CWD is not present in New Zealand and that MAF#%92s monitoring and testing have shown there has never been a case. Further, it assures that New Zealand is free from all transmissible spongiform encephalopathies which includes Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) and Scrapie.
    • Gold Top Dog
     
    ORIGINAL: ottoluv

    He's not making fun of people who believe in holistic foods....he's making fun of the people who are naive and believe that those things are the only thing that determines whether a kibble is "premium"...


    Yup exactly :) I guess it's ok to accuse people of not loving their pets, being cheap, not knowing if their dog looks good cause clearly it can't if they feed iams, etc if they don't agree with feeding super premium, but it's not ok to be sarcastic towords them. Makes perfect sense to me. I guess it's ok to be hurtful to others if you think you are "right", but you can't be sarcastic if you are "wrong". Great, now that we have the forum rules strait........


    I was just clarifying what he was being sarcastic about...and I have a right to find it funny.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I was just clarifying what he was being sarcastic about...and I have a right to find it funny.


    I was not referring to you, I was agreeing with you
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wow...I really misinterpreted that, lol.  Now that I read it with my brain turned on, I completely agree!  I didn't think about it that way; it raises an excellent point.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wow...I really misinterpreted that, lol


    No problem, just didn't want you to think I was referring to you :)
    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: sooner

    Merrick also makes [linkhttp://www.beefnmore.com/]Beef 'n More[/link]. Anyone want to guess where that beef comes from? Here's a clue - it sells for $15.12/40 lbs [:'(]


    Uggg, I checked out the ingredient list. Maybe that's where most of their 4D meat is going...[&o]
    • Puppy
    ORIGINAL: sooner

    Merrick also makes [linkhttp://www.beefnmore.com/]Beef 'n More[/link]. Anyone want to guess where that beef comes from? Here's a clue - it sells for $15.12/40 lbs [:'(]

     
    Actually the meat sources on that are specific therefore the animals were slaughter animals not 4D. 4D animals are refered to as poulty, meat, or bovine. Therefore the meat sources are from cows that were slaughtered and not sick. Please visit [linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com]www.dogfoodproject.com[/link] for info on identifying better ingredients. This letter was a subject on dogster too and it was pointed out that no where in the letter did the person refer to 4D animals. They were refering to the bi-products that were being proposed to be illegal to use. Things the person found that are being refered to are "skull, brain, trigeminal ganglia, eyes, vertebral column, spinal cord and dorsal root ganglia of cattle 30 months of age or older and the small intestine of all cattle". SRM refers to "Specified Risk Material". This refers to materials that are at risk for transmitting mad cow disease. A risk which is extremely low in the states since our meat imports are very regulated. Dogs also are not effected by the disease so therefore why throw out all these parts when they could be used in pet foods. BTW when they refer to head of cattle they are refering to how many cows not the actual head of the cows. Like my friend has 50 head of horses on her farm. No she hasn't cut her horses heads of it is how you refer to how many you have in a herd. Also the brains are rich in nutrients so why exclude them? Come on people if you offered your dog brains of a cow do you really think they'd say YUCK to you and refuse to eat it? For them it would be a delicacy. We need to get over being grossed out by the thought of these things. There is nothing wrong with these parts. Sure we don't eat them but that is because humans are very picky about what we eat. Dogs are meant to eat whateve meat they are given. I personally give my dog some raw and some kibble. The raw never had caused any problems. If you really want to know what is going into your dog food then feed either raw or homemade meals.
     
    BTW The Merrick site specifies that their pet fods are made with USDA human quality ingredients. Therefore there is no way they are using 4D meats. I did a little research and found that hereford bi-products supplies ingredients to Hubbard Feed Inc who produces a wide range of feeds from many different types of livestock and pets. Their pet food is called Tradition. I cannot find any ingredient lists as it is only available in feed stores so I cannot say whether or not 4D animals are used in it. Still there is no reason to condemn a brand because the president of another part of the company writes a letter that you don't fully understand. Maybe the first person thought that it was refering to 4D animals but it was not specifically meantioned. Still it has no bearing on the quality of the Merrick foods. Also Tyler Merrick is president of Merrick pet foods. The one who wrote the letter is the ceo of the parent company. Merrick is just a division of them and the products they produce are not neccessarily used in those pet foods.
    • Gold Top Dog
    BTW The Merrick site specifies that their pet fods are made with USDA human quality ingredients. Therefore there is no way they are using 4D meats. I did a little research and found that hereford bi-products supplies ingredients to Hubbard Feed Inc who produces a wide range of feeds from many different types of livestock and pets. Their pet food is called Tradition. I cannot find any ingredient lists as it is only available in feed stores so I cannot say whether or not 4D animals are used in it. Still there is no reason to condemn a brand because the president of another part of the company writes a letter that you don't fully understand. Maybe the first person thought that it was refering to 4D animals but it was not specifically meantioned. Still it has no bearing on the quality of the Merrick foods. Also Tyler Merrick is president of Merrick pet foods. The one who wrote the letter is the ceo of the parent company. Merrick is just a division of them and the products they produce are not neccessarily used in those pet foods.


    Interesting post, thanks for the info!!!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Come on people if you offered your dog brains of a cow do you really think they'd say YUCK to you and refuse to eat it? For them it would be a delicacy.

     
    Yeah, but you can't really go by them. . .Willow thinks cat poop is a delicacy too.[:(]
    • Gold Top Dog
    When I was a kid we ate scrambled eggs with  calf brains.  Turns my stomach to think of it now, but back then i thought it was pretty darn good.
    • Gold Top Dog
    There really is a risk now to us from prion infection, since the prion diseases are in the food supply. But not to dogs, as far as they know. So while I wouldn't eat a calf brain today unless I knew the source very well, I havve no problem feeding my dogs sheep, goat, and beef heads. And they love them. Boy are they rich though - definitely have to ration it out if you get the chance to feed them.
    • Gold Top Dog
    • Gold Top Dog
    Down cows (cows that cannot walk) do not go into the human food supply. Most packing plants won't even help truckers get them off the truck because they can't do anything with them. Any animals with evidence of illness, including abscesses of the lungs, scarring of the liver, or any other gross abnormalities are "canned" and sent for rendering, where they either become dog food or fertilizer. How and if they grade the animals for use in pet foods, I have no idea.


    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: willowchow

    Come on people if you offered your dog brains of a cow do you really think they'd say YUCK to you and refuse to eat it? For them it would be a delicacy.


    Yeah, but you can't really go by them. . .Willow thinks cat poop is a delicacy too.[:(]


    Psssh--if we were going by what dogs thought were a delicacy Jack would be on the cat poop, horse poop, Sally poop, dirty sock, and random bits of paper diet........
    • Gold Top Dog
    LOL. We refer to deer poop as "dog candy of the woods".   Just cause it's gross to us doesn't mean it's unhealthy. Cat poop is supposed to be an excellent source of easily digested protein-- it's only unhealthy if it comes coated with cat litter, which can be toxic. Horse poop, an excellent source of ;pre-processed easily digested vegetables plus probiotics!