Which food would you choose and why?

I did want to add why I do not like Nature's Logic.  Their company states: (from their site) "Of the AAFCO required vitamins and minerals, 19 out of 23 exceeded the AAFCO minimum requirements. One vitamin found naturally in small amounts in the diet but not meeting the AAFCO minimum requirement was Vitamin D. The AAFCO minimum level is 500 IU/kg which would be hard to meet with any food. Nature's Logic does not intend to ever use chemically synthesize Vitamin D to meet this AAFCO nutrient profile for two reasons. The NRC, in its book, "Vitamin Tolerance of Animals”, plainly states that Vitamin D is not required in the diet if sufficient amounts of sunlight are received. Adequate sunlight results in the production of sufficient vitamin D from the skin - naturally. Nature never intended for animals or humans to consume chemically synthesized forms of Vitamin D, but nature did intend humans and animals to be exposed to sunlight. If one chooses not to expose their pets to some needed sunlight, the alternative is to risk the supplementing of chemically synthesized Vitamin D. Some of the hypervitaminosis (vitamin toxicity) associated with over exposure to chemically synthesized forms of vitamin D in dogs are hypercalcemia, cardiovascular and nephrocalcinosis and increased blood pressure. Isn't sunlight better?"

There was a study done with dogs a while back regarding whether or not dogs needed calcium intake in the diet or if they could get sufficient amounts from the sun. 

This is snip's from the study as it was a large one...if you would like me to attach the whole thing, I will be happy to do so if it will help:

Vitamin D3 metabolism in dogs

H. A. W. Hazewinkel[linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#m4.cor*][/link], [email=h.a.w.hazewinkel@vet.uu.nl][/email] and M. A. Tryfonidou

Department of Clinical Sciences of Companion Animals, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Yalelaan 8, 3584 CM, Utrecht, The Netherlands


1. Introduction

 The healing of rickets, a skeletal disease which appeared in epidemic proportions during the urbanization and industrialization of UK in the early 1900s, was first described by [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib33]Mellanby (191[/link] in dogs. He fed dogs on oatmeal until they developed clinical and radiological signs of rickets similar to rickets in children: curved bones, thin cortices and enlarged growth plates. The skeletal changes could be prevented and cured by cod liver oil, which contained a substance later known as vitamin D (vitD) ( [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib32]McCollum et al., 1922[/link]). An independent study revealed that sunlight could prevent rickets in children ( [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib25]Huldshinsky, 1919[/link]) and cure rickets in goats ( [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib51]Steenbock and Hart, 1913[/link]). These observations were the impetus for studies on the involvement of vitD in calcium (Ca) metabolism and skeletal development in different species. Amphibians, reptiles, and birds are believed to synthesize sufficient cholecalciferol (vitD3) in their skin under the influence of ultraviolet light ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib23]Holick, 1990[/link]). Both herbivores and omnivores synthesize vitD3 in their skin during the summer and utilize ergocalciferol (vitD2) or vitD3 from feed the rest of the year ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib23]Holick, 1990[/link]). However, carnivores such as the domestic dog and cat are solely dependent on oral intake to meet their vitD3 requirement ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib24]How[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib34]Morris[/link]). Both natural food and commercially available complete dog food contain sufficient vitD3 to fulfill a dog's vitD3 requirement ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#tbl1]Table 1[/link]) ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib38]NRC[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib1]AAFCO[/link]). Therefore in domesticated dogs rickets is only seen under extreme circumstances, such as a strict vegetarian ration, biliary atresia, and inborn errors of vitD3 metabolism ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib26]Johnson[/link]; [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib28]Kealy[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib48]Schulze[/link]).

4. Discussion

Dogs are fully dependent on their dietary intake of vitD3 since they are not able to synthesize vitD3 in their skin under the influence of ultraviolet light ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib18]Hazewinkel[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib24]How[/link]). Nevertheless, rickets is rare in dogs, due to the presence of vitD3 in natural foods and commercially available balanced dog foods ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib27]Kallfelz[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib28]Kealy[/link]). VitD3-metabolites play a crucial role in active Ca absorption and skeletal mineralization, especially when there is an extremely low dietary mineral content ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib16]Harrison and Harrison, 1942[/link]). In study I, we demonstrated however that young dogs may develop radiological and histological signs of rickets even though the mineral content of their food meets the requirements ( [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib38]NRC, 1974[/link]), and plasma Ca and P concentrations do not differ from control values. The defective mineralization of both newly formed osteoid and cartilage limits the loss of extracellular Ca, thus keeping plasma Ca concentrations within biological safe margins under the influence of high plasma PTH concentrations.

Large- and small-breed dogs with dietary Ca deficiency had significantly increased plasma 1,25(OH)2D3 concentrations together with hyperparathyroidism. Because of a decreased Ca intake, hyperparathyroidism develops, resulting in the stimulation of the 1α-hydroxylase and thus increased 1,25(OH)2D3 synthesis. If there is a negative Ca balance, 1α-hydroxylation occurs at the expense of 24-hydroxylation ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib22]Henry, 1997[/link]). Active Ca absorption is stimulated by 1,25(OH)2D3 by the induction of Ca-binding proteins in intestinal cells, which increases the efficiency of Ca absorption ** ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib55]Wasserman and Fullmer, 1995[/link]). Metabolic studies with 45Ca as a tracer have revealed that the fraction of Ca absorbed from food increases from approximately 45% in dogs raised on diet containing 1.1% Ca to more than 95% in large- or small-breed pups raised on a Ca-deficient diet (with 0.55 and 0.05% Ca, respectively) ([linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib20]Hazewinkel[/link] and [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib35]Nap[/link]). Despite the increase in fractional Ca absorption, severe osteoporosis was seen in both large- and small-breed dogs raised on a Ca-deficient diet due to hyperparathyroidism which increased osteoclasia ( [linkhttp://www.sciencedirect.com.libproxy.lib.unc.edu/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-471W39S-1&_user=130907&_coverDate=11%2F29%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000004198&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=130907&md5=12acaffcaf32c8d82ea08d0cc7a83d39#bib31]Malluche et al., 1986[/link]).

**Showing that this effected nutrient absorption in the intestines

I sent this to Nature's Logic about 4 months ago and have yet to get a response.....

ORIGINAL: DakotasDoode

However, I have other issues with number 1

ORIGINAL: papillon806

Are your issues related to the animal plasma, cottage cheese, tomato powder or avocado?  Remember that it does not use the synthesized AAFCO premix but provides nutrients from natural sources.

I have no problem with the above ingredients.  However, there is no such thing as a "synthesized AAFCO premix."  The AAFCO standards are in regards to the vitamin/mineral content of the food after it has been burned, which would show any vitamin residues from natural or synthetic sources. 

I forgot to also mention this...

I find it ironic that on the Nature's Logic website they supply findings from vitamin/mineral research [linkhttp://www.natureslogic.com/pdf/vitaminmineral.pdf]http://www.natureslogic.com/pdf/vitaminmineral.pdf[/link] that actually shows the problems with vitamin D deficiency...however,  in their preface they make it sound like all of the results are from being fed synthetic vitamins when in fact they don't tell you that those studies are looking at either extreme excesses of vitamins/minerals or deficiencies....so if you look on their and don't know any better, you might think that the dogs are getting those problems FROM the vitamin D....I find that very manipulative towards their cause...either that or they don't know what they are talking about at all.

However, there is no such thing as a "synthesized AAFCO premix."

ORIGINAL: papillon806

Maybe I was paraphrasing a bit but I didn't just pull the phrase out of my ...  [] .   I guess "premix which is compliant with AAFCO minimums for vitamins and minerals" would have been more precise.
 
From  [linkhttp://www.sitstay.com/store/edibles/mfood3.shtml]www.sitstay.com/store/edibles/mfood3.shtml[/link]
 

"HEALTHY SUPPLEMENTS: Vitamins and Minerals: An added vitamin and mineral pre-mix required by AAFCO, the Association of American Feed Control Officials. This mix offers a balance blend of chelated minerals which are more easily absorbed by the body than regular minerals."
 
From   [linkhttp://www.natureslogic.com/faq/]www.natureslogic.com/faq/[/link]
 
"Most likely, these unqualified diets meet the nutrient profile for the AAFCO minimums of vitamins and minerals because these nutrients can be cheaply added with chemically synthesized vitamin/mineral premixes. "
 
From  [linkhttp://www.veruspetfoods.com/1516823.html]www.veruspetfoods.com/1516823.html[/link] 
 
"What really makes the formula different is the vitamin/mineral premix. It is not minimum levels to meet AAFco requirements. We use higher levels of nutrients in the premix to account for absorption problems some dogs may have."
 
 

ORIGINAL: DakotasDoode
"What really makes the formula different is the vitamin/mineral premix. It is not minimum levels to meet AAFco requirements. We use higher levels of nutrients in the premix to account for absorption problems some dogs may have."

which is actually scary, because oversupplementation is much more of a concern than undersupplementation. AAFCO requirements are well above the minimum needs of the average dog, but they do not set maximums for most nutrients. Why waste consumer money and put pets at risk??? Knowing this, I would no longer feed this food until it underwent AAFCO feeding trials.

I forgot to also mention this...

I find it ironic that on the Nature's Logic website they supply findings from vitamin/mineral researchhttp://www.natureslogic.com/pdf/vitaminmineral.pdf that actually shows the problems with vitamin D deficiency...however, in their preface they make it sound like all of the results are from being fed synthetic vitamins when in fact they don't tell you that those studies are looking at either extreme excesses of vitamins/minerals or deficiencies....so if you look on their and don't know any better, you might think that the dogs are getting those problems FROM the vitamin D....I find that very manipulative towards their cause...either that or they don't know what they are talking about at all.

 
  You have to regard any information on a commercial website with a grain of salt ( more like a bucket). 

You have to regard any information on a commercial website with a grain of salt ( more like a bucket). 

Quoted for truth []

I wanted to add that I just emailed Nature's Logic to see if they could send me a complete nutrient analysis of the food (kind of like the ones that Nature's Variety has on their site under every product).  I'd be interested to see if they will send it, or if they've even analyzed it. 

Knowing this, I would no longer feed this food until it underwent AAFCO feeding trials.

 
It has.
 

Nature#%92s Logic completed a successful AAFCO Feeding Trial substantiating its family of dry canine diets as 100% complete and balanced for all life stages.

 
From [linkhttp://natureslogic.com/news/showarticle.php?ArticleID=18]http://natureslogic.com/news/showarticle.php?ArticleID=18[/link]

which is actually scary, because oversupplementation is much more of a concern than undersupplementation. AAFCO requirements are well above the minimum needs of the average dog, but they do not set maximums for most nutrients. Why waste consumer money and put pets at risk??? Knowing this, I would no longer feed this food until it underwent AAFCO feeding trials.

 
  What concerns me is how some of these smaller companies determine extra supplementation is needed and how much of each nutrient to supplement. They haven't spent the millions of dollars or years that the larger companies have in research.

It has.

 
Chelsea; I think what Misskiwi was referring to was from here;    [linkhttp://www.veruspetfoods.com/1516823.html]www.veruspetfoods.com/1516823.html[/link] ;
   
"What really makes the formula different is the vitamin/mineral premix. It is not minimum levels to meet AAFco requirements. We use higher levels of nutrients in the premix to account for absorption problems some dogs may have."
 
 and not Nature's Logic.

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b

Knowing this, I would no longer feed this food until it underwent AAFCO feeding trials.

It has.

Nature's Logic completed a successful AAFCO Feeding Trial substantiating its family of dry canine diets as 100% complete and balanced for all life stages.

From [linkhttp://natureslogic.com/news/showarticle.php?ArticleID=18]http://natureslogic.com/news/showarticle.php?ArticleID=18[/link]

What concerns me more from that link was "The summary of the weekly body weights of puppies on Nature's Logic during the growth stage of the trial had more weight gain each week than established historical averages. "  [8|]

That is not necessarily a good thing, especially in large breeds.  

Also, even though they completed an AAFCO feeding trial doesn't say much if it is the only thing that the AAFCO will substantiate about their food.  I would be more concerned about the nutrient profiles than whether or not dogs survived for a small period of time. 

And according to what they say on their site....(found at [linkhttp://natureslogic.com/faq/]http://natureslogic.com/faq/[/link] )

"The following is the nutritional adequacy statement used for diets passing an AAFCO feeding trial: "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that (Name of Product) provides complete and balanced nutrition for ____________.” (Blank is to be completed by using the stage or stages of the pet's life, such as gestation/lactation, growth, maintenance, or the words "All Life Stages”. Following is the heading describing the AAFCO feeding trial protocol for dogs and cats: "Minimum Feeding Protocol For Proving An Unqualified Representation Of Nutritional Adequacy For A Dog Or Cat Food” Notice the word "unqualified.” In other words, many of the diets on the market are substantiated by an AAFCO feeding trial because they do not meet the AAFCO minimum nutrient profile of amino acids, fats, vitamins and minerals for dogs and cats. Most likely, these unqualified diets meet the nutrient profile for the AAFCO minimums of vitamins and minerals because these nutrients can be cheaply added with chemically synthesized vitamin/mineral premixes. The parts of the AAFCO nutrient profile these unqualified diets most likely do not meet are the amino acid profiles. It would likely be most difficult for diets high in grain and low in quantity and quality meat or poultry products, to meet the AAFCO minimum nutrient profile of amino acids. Therefore, in order to be substantiated, they must pass a feeding trial."

So why did they bother with a feeding trial if that's what they believe? [8|]

ORIGINAL: papillon806

So why did they bother with a feeding trial if that's what they believe? [8|]

Because dog food should be fed to dogs before it hits the market. Its not a sticker of approval, its about 1 of a dozen things that should add up to an overall indication of quality and digestability.

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

ORIGINAL: papillon806

So why did they bother with a feeding trial if that's what they believe? [8|]

Because dog food should be fed to dogs before it hits the market. Its not a sticker of approval, its about 1 of a dozen things that should add up to an overall indication of quality and digestability.

I agree with that...but I was asking why they did it if they don't believe in it...they are being contradictory towards their own beliefs.

ORIGINAL: papillon806

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

ORIGINAL: papillon806

So why did they bother with a feeding trial if that's what they believe? [8|]

Because dog food should be fed to dogs before it hits the market. Its not a sticker of approval, its about 1 of a dozen things that should add up to an overall indication of quality and digestability.

I agree with that...but I was asking why they did it if they don't believe in it...they are being contradictory towards their own beliefs.

To be honest... I don't really believe in them either. They're too small to be considered statistically significant, let alone representative of a population. But yet, I still consider AAFCO testing to be an important part of determining if a food is quality or not... sometimes you settle for less than ideal when its all you can get.

How come Animal Plasma is good and Animal Fat is bad???