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Posted : 1/30/2007 9:45:55 AM

My golden retriever, KayCee, turned 7 last Aug. and despite having both knees operated on, she runs and plays and jumps and acts like a puppy. The point I was trying to make is that the way a dog acts--a young dog acting like an old dog, or an old dog acting like a young dog, has nothing to do with it being lableed a senior, or geriatric. It is age and age alone. I guess you could say some young dogs act geriatric, some old dogs act like puppies.

diane303

Posted : 1/30/2007 10:24:09 AM

I do have to say that I bought "Ol, Roy" dog biscuits because of the great anniversary tin that came with them. It has both a field type English Setter (Ol, Roy is one) and a copper colored English Pointer. - just like my girls! I couldn't resist. Do you know how hard it is to find anything that features these particular breeds? Everything out there has Labs, Goldens, Beagles, etc.

Oh, by the way, my girls are featured on the January page of the Illinois Bird Dog Rescue Assoc calendar. Trudy is now an insufferable Diva!

sandra_slayton

Posted : 1/30/2007 12:49:24 PM

I grew up with English Setters and pointers. My ver first own dog was an English Setter puppy I got for my 11th birthday 51 years ago. She was white with gold and named her Beauty. She was the only white/gold setter any opf us had, the rest where white/black. We did have have that had so much black ticking he looked gray. Had pointers that white/liver, white/lemon/, white/black. All were used for hutning quail in East Texas. Love sporting/gun dogs and all i have ever owned personally are the English and Irish Setters and Golden Retrievers.

snownose

Posted : 1/30/2007 12:57:08 PM

Oh, by the way, my girls are featured on the January page of the Illinois Bird Dog Rescue Assoc calendar. Trudy is now an insufferable Diva!

Your dog in your avatar is beautiful[

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I feed Canidae, all my dogs do well on it, even the 13 year old GSD.

diane303

Posted : 1/30/2007 3:11:55 PM

snownose:
Thanks! That's Trudy the Princess with a capital P!

Sandra:
Trudy's breeder has a lemon and white E.S. named Tippy. She's a beautiful petite thing.When Trudy, Grace and I visit, Grace, who is a lemon & white pointer, commiserates with Tippy about being red-headed step children.

sandra_slayton

Posted : 1/30/2007 3:26:29 PM

Posting a couple of pictures. The almost white English is Mack, the pointer Lucky #I. The one with the guy, well that was my dad and the white pup between his knees is Mack as a puppy, taken in l947. The one of Mack & his pups, Rascal (in front) & Duchess was taken in 1957. It was the first time Mack was ever bred, and we kept those two pups. EDITED Mack was 12 or 13 when the top picture was taken...and still hunting.

Misskiwi67

Posted : 1/30/2007 3:29:45 PM

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

Here's why. Some veggies and grains do have protien. Dogs, being carnivors, can not readily digest protien from vegitable and grains sources, but in a laboratory that food does technically have 14% protien, the minimum for dog food. Can your dog digest all of that protien? - no. Basically Ol' Roy is a giant bag of corn with vitamins in it. Your dog is not digesting much of it, that's why he poohs so much. Or, at least compared to if he was eating a higher quality food, he wouldn't poop as much and he wouldn't have to eat as much to get the nutrients he needs.

While I agree with most everything else you wrote, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that corn is surprisingly digestible, and has an excellent amino acid profile compared to what most people would expect. Amino acids are amino acids, and it doesn't matter if you're a dog or a cow, its digestable.

Compare 1 cup of whole ground yellow corn meal, to some other currently popular grain, such as tapioca (found in one of the foods in another thread) and you'll be shocked at how much MORE nutritious it is...

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Edie

Posted : 1/30/2007 4:28:26 PM

I could've sworn the point trying to be made with the post I was agreeing with and the first part of my reply up there was that people assume that if a dog is 7 (for example), that they are automatically old and crotchety and about to die at any second which is not always the case. But maybe I was just confused?

Yep you're right,that was the point i was trying to make [

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Eclipse

Posted : 1/30/2007 5:10:39 PM

sandra_slayton-very interesting pictures!

Margaret Tyler

Posted : 1/30/2007 7:27:36 PM

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

Here's why. Some veggies and grains do have protien. Dogs, being carnivors, can not readily digest protien from vegitable and grains sources, but in a laboratory that food does technically have 14% protien, the minimum for dog food. Can your dog digest all of that protien? - no. Basically Ol' Roy is a giant bag of corn with vitamins in it. Your dog is not digesting much of it, that's why he poohs so much. Or, at least compared to if he was eating a higher quality food, he wouldn't poop as much and he wouldn't have to eat as much to get the nutrients he needs.

While I agree with most everything else you wrote, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that corn is surprisingly digestible, and has an excellent amino acid profile compared to what most people would expect. Amino acids are amino acids, and it doesn't matter if you're a dog or a cow, its digestable.

Compare 1 cup of whole ground yellow corn meal, to some other currently popular grain, such as tapioca (found in one of the foods in another thread) and you'll be shocked at how much MORE nutritious it is...

[linkhttp://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/]http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/[/link]

Yes, a dog can absorb protien out of corn, but not as much protien as they could absorb out of good quality meat. Not to mention it takes a whole lot of corn to contain the same amount of protien a good slice of meat has. I didn't want to get too detailed with the poster. I was breaking it down so she could understand.

Either way, meat, not corn should be the first ingredient.

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Misskiwi67

Posted : 1/30/2007 7:35:46 PM

I agree, meat is better, the problem is that corn has such a misguided reputation that foods are getting what I consider to be even poorer grain sources to replace corn, just to keep consumers happy. The "corn is evil" myths need to stop.

Margaret Tyler

Posted : 1/30/2007 7:48:59 PM

You are right. For example Pro Plan pulled alot of the corn out of their food and replaced it with brewers rice, which isn't much better.

But at the same time, the companies that use corn are low-mid grade. The super premium lines such as Innova, Natural Balance etc. use brown rice, which is far better than corn, as a grain of course, not a protien.

Misskiwi67

Posted : 1/30/2007 7:56:35 PM

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

You are right. For example Pro Plan pulled alot of the corn out of their food and replaced it with brewers rice, which isn't much better.

But at the same time, the companies that use corn are low-mid grade. The super premium lines such as Innova, Natural Balance etc. use brown rice, which is far better than corn, as a grain of course, not a protien.

How is it "far better" when you compare nutrient profiles side by side, the brown rice has a bit more vitamins, fewer minerals, and the amino acid profiles are comparable with slight differences here and there. Maybe I don't understand enough to know the important details, but I'm not seeing anything that makes it significantly better. In fact, I can show you a study out of australia that says corn and rice are actually comparable ingredients for use in quality foods. I'd have to dig to find it, but I'm sure I could if you wanted...

chelsea_b

Posted : 1/30/2007 8:50:04 PM

I won't feed a corn-containing kibble to Cherokee for two main reasons. Number 1, alfatoxin. Need I say more? Number 2, the majority of corn grown in the USA is genetically modified, and while I'm sure Cherokee eats things occasionally that are GM, corn is one thing that unless it's organic, you can be pretty sure it's a GMO. Soy is another. Neither of these are a part of Cherokee's diet, and they never will be. For the GM reason, plus I just don't think they're healthy for dogs (and I'm not so sure they're healthy for us either!). But that's just my opinion.

ottoluv

Posted : 1/30/2007 9:07:08 PM

1, alfatoxin. Need I say more?

Well, I hope everyone realizes how exceedingly rare it is to actually develop health problems from this, and that it is found in other things as well, peanuts, eggs, milk, other grains, although admittadly most commonly found in corn. I think that not feeding corn for this reason would be the same as not eating meat because you are scared of contracting spongeform encephalopathy.

Are there bad things out there that can contaminate food and hurt you, of course the answer is yes, are you going to significantly reduce your risk by avoiding corn, no. Just think, hep A in strawberries, e. coli in spinach, etc, etc.

Here is a nice article out of cornell

http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/aflatoxin/aflatoxin.html

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