Chose ur Best Quality Dog Food

    • Gold Top Dog
    quote:

    I use Wal-Mart brand.



    Pardon me, but VOMIT.


    Sorry, I'm feeling a bit..feisty tonight.


    Chelsea i happen to agree with everything you said! Best to tell it straight rather than beating around the bush IMHO [;)]

    Too many pet owners think their dogs are geriatrics once they hit 7-10 years and just wait for them to die,and think it's normal for them to keel over from some hideous disease.
    I think a lack of exercise has alot to do with older dogs demise aswell,it's the same with people...Use it or lose it...
    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: Eclipse

    I use Wal-Mart brand. The collie we had lived 12 years on scraps and store brand foods. He was in great shape until the week before he died.


    12 years is not a great lifespan for a Collie.
    • Gold Top Dog
    well did you want me to be honest? It isn't an easy thing to do with your high belief.
    chealsea_b- I'm not braging  by no means just explaining where I come from. He was an old dog.
    Luvntzus-[linkhttp://www.puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/collies.htm]http://www.puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/collies.htm[/link]
    My in-laws feed the store brand and they have a Australian Cattle Dog mix and he is 10 years and is  healthy ,a little over weight but healthy-just saying where I come from.
    • Gold Top Dog
    just saying where I come from.


    Can i ask what you mean by "where i come from"? Good foods are available everywhere, if you want them bad enough [;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    I was talking about like you know the phrase "where I am coming from?" -What I'm talking about. As in location- the nearest pet store that I know of is an hour and a half away, but it doesn't matter. I myself eat store brand foods as well.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Gracious, must we beat folks bloody because we don't agree with their food choices?
     
    Eclipse, I too eat store brands, BUT, in most cases it's the same stuff as the brand name with a different lable.  When I lived in CA I learned that the canneries who did tomatoes for the really pricey brands ALSO did the tomatoes for the cheaper store brands.  The tomatoes came from the same fields and were presumeably the same quality, altho I'm sure the pricier ones probably got the first run or whatever.
     
    However, you can't compare Walmart brand to Innova, or Canidae or EP Holistique.  There is very likely a feed store (oats, hay, etc) in your area that carries a decent quality food for not much more money, and when you factor in the higher kcals (which equals smaller feeding amounts) it balances out.  A meat based diet, low in grains is far better for any dog.
     
    That said, we all need to do what we can do, what we feel is best for our dogs, but if you want some suggestions, feel free to email me.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: glenmar

    Gracious, must we beat folks bloody because we don't agree with their food choices?

    Eclipse, I too eat store brands, BUT, in most cases it's the same stuff as the brand name with a different lable.  When I lived in CA I learned that the canneries who did tomatoes for the really pricey brands ALSO did the tomatoes for the cheaper store brands.  The tomatoes came from the same fields and were presumeably the same quality, altho I'm sure the pricier ones probably got the first run or whatever.

    However, you can't compare Walmart brand to Innova, or Canidae or EP Holistique.  There is very likely a feed store (oats, hay, etc) in your area that carries a decent quality food for not much more money, and when you factor in the higher kcals (which equals smaller feeding amounts) it balances out.  A meat based diet, low in grains is far better for any dog.

    That said, we all need to do what we can do, what we feel is best for our dogs, but if you want some suggestions, feel free to email me.


    Thank you Glenda.  Well put.

    First we should ask her if she feeds Ol'Roy.  Walmart Brand could also mean that she feeds Walmart's new sort of natural, okay dog food.

    Also, I am a pet product sales representative.  I drive around alot.  There are some areas that are pretty well populated that have no pet stores or feed stores.  I know because I drive through them wondering why there are none.

    On the other hand there are feed stores that most people, unless they also have horses or live stock, would never know existed.  Alot of feed stores carry Exclusive, which is much, much better than Ol'Roy and very well priced.

    This is in no way meant to offend you, but think about it this way...it's cheap for a reason.  Dogs need meat.  They are carnivors.  Meat is somewhat expensive, so if a 50lb bag of dog food is less than 5lbs of hamburger meat...it probably doesn't have much meat in it. 

    You may be asking...well why would they sell it if it wasn't good for my dog?  Well, on paper and in a laboratory it meets nutritional standards, but in actuallity it is not anything close to what your dog should be eating.  Here's why.  Some veggies and grains do have protien.  Dogs, being carnivors, can not readily digest protien from vegitable and grains sources, but in a laboratory that food does technically have 14% protien, the minimum for dog food.  Can your dog digest all of that protien? - no.  Basically Ol' Roy is a giant bag of corn with vitamins in it.  Your dog is not digesting much of it, that's why he poohs so much.  Or, at least compared to if he was eating a higher quality food, he wouldn't poop as much and he wouldn't have to eat as much to get the nutrients he needs.

    The other "problem" with Ol' Roy is it uses cheap and potentially dangerous preservatives (BHA,BHT) and colors to make the food that isn't meaty - look meaty (carmal color).  They also have to use alot of salt and gross greases (animal digest, which is whatever type of left over meat fat that was cheapest at the time) to "flavor" the food. 

    Also, any time a dog food says "meat" and not chicken or beef - or anything specific.  It usually means horse meat comming from a rendering plant.  Or horse meat that wasn't fit for human consumption.  And if you've ever been to a horse slaughter auction, you'd know how bad it is if it isn't good for human consumption (worms, drugs in the horses system etc)

    Ingredients of Ol' Roy

    Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), chicken by product meal, animal digest (source of beef flavor), brewers rice, salt, caramel color calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, chlorine chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, vitamin E supplement, niacin, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine monontrate, menadione sodium bisulfate complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, cobalt carbonate, folic acid and sodium selenite.
    • Gold Top Dog
    If  you have to buy food from Walmart, buy Purina One, or Iams, or even Purina Dog Chow or Pedigree, if it is a price issue.  Please do not buy anything with colors in it - NO Kibbles and Bits or Beneful or Kibbles and Chunks or Moist and Meaty.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My favorites are Eagle Pack and California Natural.  I have only tried
    samples of Timberwolf but with good results. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    ms_paws- sorry if we got off your topic?
    glenmar and jojo the pogo[color="#000066"]- thanks for your replies.[/color]
    • Gold Top Dog
    I like Eagle Pack Hollistic.  It's made near my house.  They respond quickly and intelligently if I have a question.  The food has a low target PH - important for my pointer.  The girls like it.  It doesn't contain corn or wheat - an issue for my setter.  The girls' stool is firm and healthy looking.  They have several varieties of the Hollistic so that I can rotate.

    So there[:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh no biggie. It's very sad to see theirs many of us are very old members & have not learn yet about dog food. Even thou theirs a lot of by product & chemicals, especially Wheat, Soy, Corn, Peanut Hulls, BHT, BHA, left over resturants food,  now we have to aviod Barley? Theirs only a few of us feed our dogs the most quiality dog food their is; like Raw, EP, TWO, NB....  But still those dogs will live a extra life span over the time & can aviod like mad cow disease, illness & cancer.
     
    That's my 2 cent for the day....
     
    Thanks for the those who feed their dogs good balance nurtirtion to their animal & back me up on this [:D]
     
    ORIGINAL: Eclipse

    ms_paws- sorry if we got off your topic?
    glenmar and jojo the pogo[color=#000066]- thanks for your replies.[/color]

    • Gold Top Dog

    ORIGINAL: Edie
    Too many pet owners think their dogs are geriatrics once they hit 7-10 years and just wait for them to die,and think it's normal for them to keel over from some hideous disease.
    I think a lack of exercise has alot to do with older dogs demise aswell,it's the same with people...Use it or lose it...


    I agree with this. Eevee is about to hit year 7, is fed Canidae, gets proper physical and mental exercise, and still romps around the yard like a puppy (Shippo, the REAL puppy usually can't keep up lmao!). I still think she looks 4, but perhaps I am biased. >^^;<

    I also agree with many who say that how well a dog is going to do on a food depends on the dog, even with the super premium stuff. A friend of mine has a collie who is having a lot of problems on every food she's put him on - California Natural, Innova, even prescription! But her poor dog seems to have a food allergy. She says she may end up putting him on a "lesser" food just so he's not suffering from allergies like he is.

    I have a cat who is extremely allergic to something that's in Innova EVO, and breaks out in scabs after a month of eating it... >X.x;<
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think several breeds are considered seniors at 7 and many are considered seniors at 10 others not until they are 12-13.  It all depends on the the size of the breed.  Suire.some Danes, Mastiffs, etc, live to be 13 years old, but i think that is rare for giant breed  And some chis, doxies, die at 7 or 8 again rare for the toy breeds.
     
    I am almost 62 and i get senior discounts at many places, and at some of them since i was 55.  I could live (doubtful) another 30 years  But i am still considered a senior.  My grandmother was doing yard work, playing the organ at church and teaching piano lessons when she was 93.  Because she could do those things didn't mean she was not a senior citizen. There is a driver who works with my hubby who is 70, jogs every day when he stops his rig, doesn exercises in his truck, takes weights and lifts them, etc and acts and looks 45.  But he is 70 and he is a senior.  How you act  has nothing to do with being a senior or not.  It is how long you have lived and what the life expectancy is.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I could've sworn the point trying to be made with the post I was agreeing with and the first part of my reply up there was that people assume that if a dog is 7 (for example), that they are automatically old and crotchety and about to die at any second which is not always the case. But maybe I was just confused? >O.o<