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T.O. Salmon Oil...and Vit. E

Posted : 12/23/2006 4:03:33 AM

I was just curious how long the Salmon Oil stays good...I just ordered some to try for the first time, and I went ahead and got two of the 8.45 oz bottles. After I got them, I found out the expiration date on both is Feb. 14, 2007. That gives me less than two months to use both bottles, if I go by the date. I only have two dogs, one's about 55 lbs. and the other is 3 lbs., so I'm thinking this stuff is going to last awhile...

Anyway, I just wondered if the dates are more precautionary, you know, to be on the safe side, or if it would be really bad to use the oil a little past the date of expiration. Any idea? It's not the end of the world if I can't use both bottles up, I was just kind of curious. At least I know now not to order any more than I can use in a short amount of time.

Also, I've read that it needs to be paired with Vit. E...what do all of you use as a Vit. E supplement (for those who use one)? And are there any natural food sources that would work as well, such as egg yolk or liver?

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Haleigh

Posted : 12/23/2006 8:22:33 AM

I never give it with Vit. E. It's unnecessary, and they get enough of it from their food. Unlike the Omega 3's and 6's they from fish oil.

This is what I feed for breakfast to my 27 pound Border collie puppy every day:

One FROZEN lamb heart (she loves to chew)
One whole egg, with shell (cracked open)
One popped 500 mg Salmon oil capsule
One half cup vanilla Kefir (the probitiocs are SO good for her)
And a handful of dehydrated liver

This produces a BEAUTIFUL coat, and provides chewing for an hour, with the heart being frozen and all. For a three pounder (like my moms chi mix) I give a 500 mg salmon oil everyother day, other wise he starts to smell like fish.For a dog 50 pounds and up, I give two fish oils.

The expiration date I never really check. They have to put one on all supplements as a law, but I've tried fish oil a year past the expiration date first for myself, and when I didn't drop dead, I used it for my dogs, and they're still alive and kickin!

chewbecca

Posted : 12/23/2006 9:33:23 AM

I give Ella salmon oil AND vitamin E.
To me, if you're going to give your dog salmon oil, you NEED to add extra vitamin E.
The oil depletes your dog's system of vitamin E. Sure, there is vitamin E in kibble, but that's the normal amount a dog needs. If you start adding fish oil, that supply of vitamin E is going to be depleted REAL fast.
Ella gets AT LEAST 200 I.U.s of vitamin E daily.
The correct dosage amount of vitamin E is 100 I.U.s per 25 lbs.
Kelly (Sooner) posted this a while back and the search button is being a jerk so I cannot bring it up right now.

Edie

Posted : 12/23/2006 10:02:25 PM

I agree with chewbecca,In my opinion vitE is definately a necessity when giving fish oil,there is not enough E in their food when giving extra;s such as the oil.

what do all of you use as a Vit. E supplement

I just use the vitE capsules available from health food stores. Make sure and get the natural source(D-alpha) as opposed to the synthetic(DL-alpha)

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/23/2006 11:19:25 PM

I also supplement with vitamin E; I use NOW E-Oil and give Jessie about 250 IU daily. Edie is right; you want to get the natural vitamin E and not the synthetic; you have to use twice as much of the synthetic.

sooner

Posted : 12/24/2006 12:50:34 AM

ORIGINAL: belgmal_girl

I never give it with Vit. E. It's unnecessary, and they get enough of it from their food. Unlike the Omega 3's and 6's they from fish oil.

Like the others said, E is necessary when giving fish oil. There isn't enough in food to account for the amount the body uses in the fish oil digestion process. Fish oil oxidizes rapidly in the body, and E is a natural antioxidant.

To the OP... I use a natural, human type capsule from Wal-Mart, at 100 iu per 25 lbs of body weight.

I *think* the exp dates are precautionary - although I would store the stuff in the refrigerator and pay close attention to the color, clarity, and smell when it gets around and after exp time. Fish oil will go rancid fast if stored improperly.

GypsyNBeau

Posted : 12/24/2006 1:34:09 AM

Thanks for all the replies! I'm going to go ahead and pick up some Vitamin E the next time I go to the health food store, which will probably be tomorrow. I know they carry the NOW brand, so I'll probably go with that one. Thanks for the tips. [

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brookcove

Posted : 12/24/2006 6:13:38 AM

Haleigh, you definitely want to supplement with E if you are adding stuff to your dog's diet. Border Collies are prone to something called FMAR, which is damage to the retina, sometimes caused by insufficient anitoxidants in the diet. It depends on how hard you work your dog, your environmental conditions, and how deficient your dog's diet is in, say, Vitamin E. I don't take any chances - my dogs get an antioxidant capsule every day with their fish.

smilee1079

Posted : 12/24/2006 11:08:58 PM

So if Zoe is 10 lbs., and I am going to start 1 squirt of Grizzly salmon oil a day, she only needs about 40-50 i.u. of vit. e a day? I know many who give their dachsies grizzly and no E... is it because it is such a little amount it doesn't matter? Also, does the salmon oil need to be refridgerated all the time or only after exp. date.

cyclefiend2000

Posted : 12/24/2006 11:52:16 PM

when we were using grizzly salmon oil we never refrigerated it.

however, we just started using timberwolf organic salmon oil, and it says it should be refrigerated after opening.

GypsyNBeau

Posted : 12/25/2006 1:31:04 AM

I went ahead and put both of my bottles in the fridge, including the one that is still unopened.

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/25/2006 7:51:50 PM

So if Zoe is 10 lbs., and I am going to start 1 squirt of Grizzly salmon oil a day, she only needs about 40-50 i.u. of vit. e a day? I know many who give their dachsies grizzly and no E... is it because it is such a little amount it doesn't matter? Also, does the salmon oil need to be refridgerated all the time or only after exp. date.

I love Zoe's pictures. I follow Monica Segal's [linkhttp://www.monicasegal.com/]http://www.monicasegal.com/[/link] guidelines for the amount of vitamin E to supplement; for dogs weighing 10 to 15 lbs., she recommends 50 to 100 IU daily, which is the same amount sooner recommends. Maybe the owners who don't add vitamin E don't know it's important.

Lynn

Posted : 12/25/2006 8:20:25 PM

That seems like an awfully high amount of a fat soluable vitamin. For that recommended rate, it would be equivalent to 600 mg. for an average 150 lb. person. Daily, that, in my opinion, is just too high. To me, a human shouldn't take but around 200 mg a day. So, that would be a lot less for a 10 lb. dog. I realize a lot of people disagree with this, but you can get too much of a good thing.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm really not. Maybe my dose baseage is too low, but it seems the other is too high. Per monica's doage from last post: 50 mg. per 10 lbs == 800 mg for an adult. That's very, very high. Is the basis for Monica's decision on so much vit E because dogs utilitze fat soluable oils differently than humans? I've never read this, just taking a guess at why her suggestion is where it's at????

Am I missing something here? Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this sounds too high??

smilee1079

Posted : 12/25/2006 9:03:06 PM

ORIGINAL: chasza

That seems like an awfully high amount of a fat soluable vitamin. For that recommended rate, it would be equivalent to 600 mg. for an average 150 lb. person. Daily, that, in my opinion, is just too high. To me, a human shouldn't take but around 200 mg a day. So, that would be a lot less for a 10 lb. dog. I realize a lot of people disagree with this, but you can get too much of a good thing.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm really not. Maybe my dose baseage is too low, but it seems the other is too high. Per monica's doage from last post: 50 mg. per 10 lbs == 800 mg for an adult. That's very, very high. Is the basis for Monica's decision on so much vit E because dogs utilitze fat soluable oils differently than humans? I've never read this, just taking a guess at why her suggestion is where it's at????

Am I missing something here? Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this sounds too high??

Are mg and IU the same? If not, that could be causing the confusion.

Jessies mom... i told them (on the dachsie board I go on) about how people here say you need E with fish oil. One person's vet said it isn't necessary, and one person contacted Grizzly who said the way it is made has E in it, so no need to supplement. I am all sorts of confused because if I don't need to add another thing, I'd be thrilled, but if I need to, I can. The people have been doing grizzly for a long time with very healthy pups.

jessies_mom

Posted : 12/25/2006 9:30:19 PM

Maybe my dose baseage is too low, but it seems the other is too high. Per monica's doage from last post: 50 mg. per 10 lbs == 800 mg for an adult. That's very, very high. Is the basis for Monica's decision on so much vit E because dogs utilitze fat soluable vitamins differently than humans?

Here's her recommendations; 10-25 Ilbs.; 50-100 IU
                                                26-50 Ilbs.; 100-200 IU
                                                51-80Ibs.; 200-300 IU
                                                over 80 Ils.; 300-400 IU

So as you can see, the highest amount she recommends is 400 IU. I don't know what she bases this on but I consider her a good source to reference since she's an animal nutritionist.