By-Products

Fat dogs make me cringe just as bad as skinny ones!

For sure! You wanna know how much Teenie ended up losing??? ALMOST TEN POUNDS!!!! Crazy, isn't it???

Wow, what a heavy thread and there's not even a corn fight!  Hmmm . . . if some of you are suggesting I shouldn't let my daughter eat pizza, she will be very upset!!
 
I think that all of us are here to learn and share.  Sometimes the proces is a little painful but it is always ultimately constructive.  99% of the population thinks that anyone who spends time online talking about dog food (as opposed to Brad and Angelina or football) is a loser nerd freak, so we better stick together.

I never mentioned any names, but this statment was yours Ozzie
 
"FTR I  have NEVER said 'anyone who feeds XXX doesn't truly love their dog' There are some things wether true or not that should not be said."  That comes pretty dang close to saying we that  feed XXX do not truly love our dogs...sounds like the hint the nephew gave his dad about his birhtday present--you wear it on you arm to tell time."  he didn't say it was a watch, but came pretty dang close.
 
Another thing, as I said, if you have never been in a slaughter house, it can turn your stomach.  I do not think any of us can be sure just where our food comes from, what it has been through.  Ripening agents are added,  sprays (and who knows how much is absorbed) stuff is added to make crops grow faster and I am not talking about normal fertlizer.. 
 
I am not paranoid about much except not trusting what companies say about thier product. But i did see a couple of people here who seemed pretty hurt at the suggestion they were not doing right by their dog.
 
And as to the remarks about us kids and our parents--that was not below the belt.  That was just a simple statment  that just because my parents couldn't feed us cream of the crop food didn't meant they were not doing their best by us.  And that applies to folks with dogs.
 
By the way, I was born in Perth, Western Aust, but Mom and i joined daddy in the states after the war.  he was stationed there during WWII.  I stil got kin there I am in contact with as well as some cyber friends.

I just can't fathom how people can actually think it's "ok" to forcefeed their 'beloved pets' garbage that they wouldn't in a BILLION years ever consider feeding to their own kids !

If you think it's ok to feed your animals those foods.... why don't YOU eat them , or better yet feed them to the rest of your family.
Afterall...your pet IS supposed to be part of your FAMILY right ? So what's good for him must be good enough for you.

Well, for one, I'm not FORCEFEEDING her anything.  It's actually the food she will willingly eat and feel good on. 

Please YOU do YOUR research, not all the Rx diets have bi-products or chemicals.  I use the cans so I avoid those things!  I've opened cases of the stuff and I've seen consistent product, no quality control issues.  I've had shipping staples and plastic in the "premium" Merrick.  Thank God, I DO love my dog enough to look at what I feed her or she might have died from that staple. 

As for feeding her what I'd eat, if I did that she wouldn't be eating meat at all.  I think of her as my child but I know she is NOT human.  I certainly try to give her as much fresh foods and I do add in scoops of Solid Gold and other "premium" foods as she can tolerate.   I do what I can and she eats very well.  Look at my picture, you can see for yourself. 

And, yes, I'd do anything for her but I'm not going to eat her food and she's not going to eat mine. 

I'm done with this because unfortunately, I've started to stoop to the level of the people that I don't want to be like.

I would feed them the most natural,freshest produce i could find and explore every holistic and to a  lesser extent convential option out there.

Christine--I did do that and while I was doing that my dog was sick.  And, in the end nothing worked and I went back to what did work.  So, the problem is is that you need to realize that in some cases nothing else works.  No matter how YOU feel, what is reality may be different.  Sure, I'd love for her to eat a holistic food, but she can't.  It's not my fault an idiot put her in a backyard and did nothing to help her health from a puppy to two years old.  I'm dealing with what I've got after that.  So, if I don't love her because of it in some of your eyes well so be it.  I know just how much she is my heart.  Just look at my pictures, does it look any different??

I just want to say that I am SO SORRY I started this forum.  Sofar it has put me into tears once and I just don't understand why people can't be civil even if they do dissagree.  So I appoligise for causing all these hateful things to be said.

Wysteria

I am probably one of the most passionate folks on this board when it comes to nutrition.  Just about anyone who has been here more than a week knows that I feed Innova, knows that I have a recipe tweeked and approved by a canine nutritionalist for homecooked, knows that I believe that at least some raw is wonderful.
 
I don't like and don't feed the "lesser quality products".  It will be a cold day in hades before I even consider it.  But I also know that a lot of people on this board have dogs with multiple problems.  I've followed all of Lori's problems with Willow's issues.  I've seen the lengths this gal has gone to to try and find something OTHER than SD to feed her baby that doesn't leave her with a house full of liquid poop and a very sick dog.
 
I understand why Susan, who has a dog with multiple problems is AFRAID to move him to another food when a Purina product is keeping him alive. Why the thought of feeding something that could provoke another problem keeps her from changing.  In a perfect world ALL the super premium foods would work wonderfully for all the dogs and no one would need to feed what are considered to be "lesser" foods.  But we don't live in a perfect world and the one "superior, one size fits all" food hasn't been created.  It's really unfair to judge others until you have walked a mile in their shoes.
 
Christine, I'm not sure why anytime I post you think I'm gunning for you.  And I surely don't pretend to be all sweetness and light....everyone knows better.  After I received a warning from Jaime regarding your and my interaction on the board, I spent a great deal of time composing an email to you that went unanswered.  I had Jaime forward said email to you since it was too long to go through the PM function of this board.  I made promises in that email that I have done my best to keep.  However, I am still entitled to state my opinions on this board so long as I do so without attacking anyone elses opinions. That's exactly what I have done.  State my opinions.  And I did so without making any effort to bait you.  That was merely YOUR perception, not my intention.  You have NOT cornered the market on making cruel remarks to folks who don't feed what you feed or what you think that they should feed.  There have been plenty of other less than generous comments made in this thread but you automatically assume that my comments are directed at you.  And that isn't the case.  But, you're blocking me, so why bother to explain myself??

Keva, you did NOTHING wrong.  Please don't ever feel that something you started or something you did is responsible for other people acting in an unkind manner.  You did NOT start this thread with the intention of stirring the pot, so take a deep breath and relax.  Whenever passions run high it is likely that unkind things will be said.  And there are some here that just look for the opportuntity to say those things.  If it hadn't been this thread, there would have been another chance.

ORIGINAL: ozzie72

How dare any of you say that we that don't feed YOUR WAY do not love our dogs.

Sandra why do you keep popping up with this comment??? I have never seen anyone say "if you dont feed X brand you dont love your dogs",please stop being so paranoid,i'm sure no-one thinks you love your dog any less coz you feed Purina!And the comment of your parents shouldnt have kids coz they couldnt feed you T-bones was really below the belt and completely and utterly uncalled for and has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand!Now you're starting tp put words into peoples mouths [&:]
Sandra feed your dogs what you want,if you're happy with it and are 100% comfortable feeding it and they dont do better on the natural super premiums then who cares!

And NO i do not eat sausages and compressed sandwich meats etc,i have No clue whats in them,i can only imagine[:'(],and i wont eat something who's origins are unknown!

Sorry, she's not making that up. Early in the thread that sentiment was indeed expressed.

Paula

Sorry, she's not making that up. Early in the thread that sentiment was indeed expressed.

Paula it read as if it was directed at me....

Keva dont feel bad,all the things that have been said on this thread are not your fault,you havnt said anything wrong.By-products,corn, supermarket food etc ALWAYS start heated debates.Personally i can move on and forget about them,words on a computer screen cant hurt me,LOL []

Dont worry about it,ok.Soon there will be another debate and this one will be forgotten about,i'm sure!

A friend of mine who was in prison worked in a meat plant and will not eat bologna or hot dogs. I, OTOH, still eat them. I even have fed a piece of lunch meat to my dog.
 
"I'm on the Highway to Hell ..."

Well, I personally eat stuff that I won't let my dogs have....ham comes to mind immediately!  Mmmmm, mmmmmm good!!  But, they'll never know!

 

99% of the population thinks that anyone who spends time online talking about dog food (as opposed to Brad and Angelina or football) is a loser nerd freak, so we better stick together.

 
LOL......I so agree with this !!  []

ORIGINAL: ozzie72

Sorry, she's not making that up. Early in the thread that sentiment was indeed expressed.

Paula it read as if it was directed at me....

 
No, when she repeated it the first time it was lumped in with one of the comments you made that was equally insensitive, so you took it to be all directed at you.

This thread is about BY-PRODUCTS..
 
Leave the he said she said behind and get back on topic or I will close this thread

ORIGINAL: paulaedwina
I am as much a kibble nazi as anyone else, however, I don't know whose purpose I serve by trying to convince a person away from a prescription diet for a dog with a specific condition that is stabilized by that prescription diet.  I may not like, even detest some of the ingredients in that food, but who am I? I am not willing to risk that person's dog's well being to prove some point. I find it reckless to imply that that person somehow loves his/her dog less because s/he is;

1. unwilling to take my word over that of his/her vet regarding food.
2. unwilling to go through an arduous trial and error process of finding a raw, homecooked or suitable-to-paula diet to do what his/er prescription diet is doing now. Frankly, that kind of search has to be a personal choice because it takes alot of time, alot of information and considerably more than one day of a sick dog's discomfort.

 
[font=tahoma]Exactly Paula!  You hit the nail on the head.  It's awfully easy for someone to suggest "experimenting" with a dog's diet when it's not their dog and they aren't the ones who have to live with the results...some of which could be life threatening.  I suspect that most of the people who are so adamant that others should feed or not feed their dog a certain type of diet have never actually dealt with the kinds of illnesses or problems that those feeding an Rx diet are dealing with.  [/font]