I know this will gove over like a lead balloon

Thanks Abbysdad, I knew I had read that somewhere.

I dont see any difference in there being euth'ed dogs and cats in food or euth'ed cattle and horses. Either way, it's wrong.

I think it is the thought of our dogs eating other dogs and cats.  They are our pets and live in the house with us and we dote on them.  We eat cows and don't give it a second thought, and if you are not a horse lover, you wouldn't really think much about that it.   This is from the stand point of the meat, not drugs. 

ORIGINAL: dvet

You all know what works and doesnt; work for your indvidual pets....again I admire your preceverance and do not fault you....I just think you are wasting a lot of money----but its not my money.

If my way of feeding gives me more time with my pets I would NEVER see that as a waste of money.

And I truly believe that Neke's diet has given us extra years with her.

TEHO

If my way of feeding gives me more time with my pets I would NEVER see that as a waste of money.

Amen.

ORIGINAL: dogslife

Yes, I have read all of that.  Here is another interesting chap that I think has some relevant to topic thoughts to consider.

look at this link a bit;

[linkhttp://home.att.net/~wdcusick/06.html]http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/06.html[/link]

I respect that everyone has their own opinion.  It is great to do your own research in forming that opinion.  If you didn't it would just be relying on what other people said.  However, in this research, one needs to be careful in the internet sites used.  I would avoid any personal pages such as the one above and stick with pages from reliable agencies.

Yes, Colleen.  I am aware of the difference btw periodicals and opinion type writing.  It is amazing the amount of info out there about pet food.  I believe in reading it and taking ideas and opinions with that grain of salt. 
 
I take what I like and leave the rest.  If it makes good sense, then it may be something to think about.  For some reason there is a gap btw what your personal vet (may or may not) know and the actual research- deemed reliable and what that vet is willing to even speak about nevermind agree with!
 
I run into the vets that have that food stocked and sell that food and you see that there is very little choice in the matter.  They push it like a drug dealer! (no offense dvet- this is only a couple vets) .  The only way you can learn is to seek out info.  The web is good, others opinions on the web are helpful.   Any kind of scrutinizing of the so called "factual information' out there is good.  It is needed.  Why, because when you have understanding about something as critical as ...heartworm , Heartguard medication is not good for herding dogs, and even some other breeds..You want to find out more.
 
So, what you call "reliable agencies" are far and few betw for pets.  Looks to me like Fed. standards would be good.  Research communities, school based- not Brand label based would be best.  And then there are folks.  Some have some good ideas.  There doesn't seem to be a surplus of pet food professionals except at the risk of believing the dog food co.  Those are professional.  But it is true that sales are going to be the goal.  Not coming out and saying about their negative impacts.  That would be ludicrous for a co. to do that.
 
Until the vets and the med schools actually come together, pet owners will have to do the searching! 

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

I think it is the thought of our dogs eating other dogs and cats.  They are our pets and live in the house with us and we dote on them.  We eat cows and don't give it a second thought, and if you are not a horse lover, you wouldn't really think much about that it.   This is from the stand point of the meat, not drugs. 

 
The fact that there may be horse meat in a food does not bother me as much as what is IN the horse meat.  A horse that has been euthed may have any number of substances in his system--if he has been in constant pain before death he may have been on high doses of bute for months, a horse that died of infection my have had any number of antibiotics in his system in addition to the bute, a horse that suffered a traumatic injury before death likely has some sort of tranq in his system, a horse that died of colic will almost ALWAYS have been given Banamine.  This does not even count any daily dewormers that might have been given as a habit.  The only way the rendering company would know that is if they asked, and as I've had to call the renderer before I can tell you that they do not.

I was under the impression that vets only take one course at best covering nutrition - I would be more inclined to get advice from a nutritionist.

if he has been in constant pain before death he may have been on high doses of bute for months,

Yikes. I'd never even thought of that. Some collies and other dogs with the MDR-1 mutation are so sensitive to the problem drugs (bute and ivomec are among them), that they can't eat "barnyard goodies" (manure) with traces of the problem drug still in it.

If pentobarbitol survives processing, I wonder about ivermectin and bute? Maybe this would explain the claim that some people make that their seizure-prone dogs go seizure-free on home-cooked or even super premium commercial foods. Hmmmmm.

there is no doubt that  a nutrionist, ie an animals one, has far more knowledge of the subject than the  average veterinarian when it comes to techinical stuff...But every vet does have some knowledge of the pratcical side of nutrition...We had to study in depth 5 different animals and the nute requirmenst were didfferent for each on and each medical condition and the nute requirments were different....but we did get a lot of nutrition....I agree probably forgot a lot but  what we leanred was enough to keep most animals healthy

 
this is really something to think about.  I do believe it was Glenda that posted a couple of years ago that a few years before proheart6 came out, a lot of farm dogs that ate horse biscuits after the horses had been given moxidectin, died.  Moxidectin as the ingredient used in Proheart6.
 
And another thing, hubby, who is a trucker, called one day and was talking about hauling Miracle Growth.  I thought he was talking about Miracle Grow, the stuff advertised on TV to make your palnts grow bigger and better.  he said no, it was a chemical (not actually called Miracle Growth, jut what drivers call it) he was taking to a place that makes chicken feed.  It is added to make the chicken grow about 2-3 times faster. 
 
 It is a good thing most of you have no idea what goes into food WE EAT.  He hauls chemicals that he has to have a placard on the truck because they are poison, highly flamable, etc, and he delivers them to places that make our food products.  As he put it, it is down right scarey what is used in our foods.
 

It is a good thing most of you have no idea what goes into food WE EAT. He hauls chemicals that he has to have a placard on the truck because they are poison, highly flamable, etc, and he delivers them to places that make our food products. As he put it, it is down right scarey what is used in our foods.

 
This is so true Sandra.[&o]  This is the reason I did research first on my own diet and nutrition and that lead me into looking for a good diet for my dogs & other pets.
 
I try only to buy meat, eggs, veggies from organically grown sources.  Most are local and I know what goes into the animals and how the gardens are grown.  Plus next year I'm putting in my own veggie garden.  I have a few feilds of wild blueberries, raspberrie & blackberry bushes & I pick and freeze.   My brother hunts so I get Moose, deer and partridge meat as well.  I have been eating organic whole foods since I started researching nutrition...which is a bonus.[]    

ORIGINAL: sooner   This has been happening a lot lately - people shouldn't be getting jumped on for stating their thoughts. Just because someone doesn't like what's being said doesn't give that person any less right to say it. 

 
Well really now...
 
 
Here's another thought.  I was thinking dvet is probably not even a vet and has got you all fooled.   Why is it then, that I recall a post maybe a year or so back dvet had explained to someone his user name and mentioned being a young person still living at home with mom and dad, hoping to get into a good school?

ORIGINAL: cc431

Here's another thought.  I was thinking dvet is probably not even a vet and has got you all fooled.   Why is it then, that I recall a post maybe a year or so back dvet had explained to someone his user name and mentioned being a young person still living at home with mom and dad, hoping to get into a good school?

Maybe you are thinking of TheDoc, who was thinking of being a vet and wound up going with something else in college.