I know this will gove over like a lead balloon

Cattle are still slaughtered through various head impact methods, whether bolt, or (rarely) bullet.

Cattle which are euth'ed through chemical means are absolutely, positively, condemned for human consumption.

That's good to know, at least for humans.

FDA does have some good standards.  And I have to say I was wrong on my first post to this thread that their approval isn't important.  I think that perhaps it is a good indication of a decent dog food.  For instance I searched for FDA and Alpo, and guess what- there is zero results that come up.  When I searched for Canidae and FDA , there are good results- (what I feed my little huskies).
 
Here are some good guidelines for FDA and pet food.
 
[linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/petlabel.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/petlabel.htm[/link]
 

Hmmmm, Jessies Mom, that sounds suspiously like Canidae![]
 
I honestly enjoy a good debate, but comments like "you are a RETIRED vet" "your nutrition facts are out of date" and a number of others seem like direct personal attacks.
 
Am I gonna feed Alpo?  Heck no.  But I think what we all need to remember is that the foods we NOW call garbage were at one time NOT garbage.....the Purina of my Dad's day was different than the Purina today.  Yep, many contained horse meat and much as I love horses, ummm, what's so wrong with honoring the animal by USING the parts of its body that are useable after s/he no longer is living?  This is different than a deer because we consider them pets?  I know a few folks who have nature preserves who would consider their DEER pets.....and at least in days gone by when a horse was put down, it was with a quick bullet.  No nasty chemicals swimming through the tissues.
 
The nutrition section USED to be one of my favorite places on idog.  Then the nutrition gurus showed up who THINK they know so much more than the rest of us and who are just downright abrasive to anyone who doesn't agree with them.
 
Dvet?  All those pets you and your brother killed with crap food?  Clearly they were quickly and quietly smuggled off to the local rendering plant to BECOME part of the crap food that killed them.  Gosh the things owners don't share with their vets......[]

Excellent link, which I think I already had. In the percentages based on labeling, I would like to point out, again, that having 3 meat sources doesn't mean that the crude protein is any higher than the listed 25%, for example. You could have two different foods, one with a single meat source, one with 3 meat sources. If they both show 25% protein, then they both have protein of that amount, regardless of meat source. And, FWIW, grain contains protein and may make up part of the crude protein amounts in an "as-fed" basis. So, a food listing 25% crude protein doesn't mean that the 25% is entirely meat-based protein.
 

my abrother did, with the permission of the owners, send the horses to jungle safari park to be eaten by the carnivores...but dogs were either  cremated or buried, some in communal pits unless the owners wanted private disposals or private cremations...And we followed  these procdures up with  spot inspection....oh yeah, I forgot...we did eat  some of the more tasty dogs after boiling out and selling the fat......sheeeesh----I was right this did go ,over like a large lead balloon

dvet, lets face it.  People love to get into a controversial subject on the forum....If you can get the thread to move toward the little lock stage, then you are highly successful, not  a lead balloon! 
 
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Good point, Dvet. When Misty was put to sleep, I had a choice of having her buried or cremated. There was no option of surrendering her to a meat rendering plant. She was incuded in a mass cremation, which was all that I could afford at the time. But that was just the reality of my situation.

I recognize that it appears to be a "hype" and I cant see any gov. documentation on it.  But why not be more effacacious at the labelling and state, fat is from a particular animal?  The notion is out there that animals of all kinds are being delivered to these plants.  Claims of shelters getting rid of the animals this way etc.  I would love to ignore it, but there is quite a bit on this through the web. 
 
The manner in which these cheapo dog foods are created is discussed as well. The fat is delivered from rendering plants and noone on God's green earth knows what is in that!  I think it is a concern.   Certainly most vets would not ethically consider that but there are places that would. 
 
I think it is best to buy the known food items.  If you look up ingredients in Canidae for instance, this is quality product.  You know just what is in it.  Labelling can be so misleading and for a very good sneaky reason. ..to sell bad products. 
 
 

I recognize that it appears to be a "hype" and I cant see any gov. documentation on it. 

[linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/dfchart.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/dfchart.htm[/link]

Is where the FDA found pentobarbital in dog food. Dyan once posted an article that said none of the pento came from cats or dogs, but instead large animals, like cows and horses. I don't care if it came from a cow or a cat, I just don't want it in something my dog is eating every day.

[linkhttp://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/ap42/ch09/final/c9s05-3.pdf]http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/ap42/ch09/final/c9s05-3.pdf[/link]

Explains the rendering process.

Meat rendering plants process animal by-product materials for the production of tallow, grease, and high-protein meat and bone meal. Plants that operate in conjunction with animal slaughterhouses or poultry processing plants are called integrated rendering plants. Plants that collect their raw materials from a variety of offsite sources are called independent rendering plants. Independent plants obtain animal by-product materials, including grease, blood, feathers, offal, and entire animal carcasses, from the following sources: butcher shops, supermarkets, restaurants, fast-food chains, poultry processors, slaughterhouses, farms, ranches, feedlots, and animal shelters.

The two types of animal rendering processes are edible and inedible rendering. Edible rendering plants process fatty animal tissue into edible fats and proteins. The plants are normally operated in conjunction with meat packing plants under U. S. Department of Agriculture, Food Safety and Inspection Services (USDA/FSIS) inspection and processing standards. Inedible rendering plants are operated by independent renderers or are part of integrated rendering operations. These plants produce inedible tallow and grease, which are used in livestock and poultry feed, soap, and production of fatty-acids.

Yes, I have read all of that.  Here is another interesting chap that I think has some relevant to topic thoughts to consider.
 
look at this link a bit;
 
http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/06.html
 
 

These plants produce inedible tallow and grease, which are used in livestock and poultry feed, soap, and production of fatty-acids

 
When you think about allergic problems, how would you ever be able to conclude just what your dog is allergic to.  Is this product of rendering in your dog's food?  That is why I say, if it hasn't got a name of an animal on that fat, "leave it"!!!

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Hmmmm, Jessies Mom, that sounds suspiously like Canidae![]

I honestly enjoy a good debate, but comments like "you are a RETIRED vet" "your nutrition facts are out of date" and a number of others seem like direct personal attacks.

Am I gonna feed Alpo?  Heck no.  But I think what we all need to remember is that the foods we NOW call garbage were at one time NOT garbage.....the Purina of my Dad's day was different than the Purina today.  Yep, many contained horse meat and much as I love horses, ummm, what's so wrong with honoring the animal by USING the parts of its body that are useable after s/he no longer is living?  This is different than a deer because we consider them pets?  I know a few folks who have nature preserves who would consider their DEER pets.....and at least in days gone by when a horse was put down, it was with a quick bullet.  No nasty chemicals swimming through the tissues.

The nutrition section USED to be one of my favorite places on idog.  Then the nutrition gurus showed up who THINK they know so much more than the rest of us and who are just downright abrasive to anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Dvet?  All those pets you and your brother killed with crap food?  Clearly they were quickly and quietly smuggled off to the local rendering plant to BECOME part of the crap food that killed them.  Gosh the things owners don't share with their vets......[]

I'm on this forum to state my opinion.  I'm not saying I am right, I'm stating my opinion.  After all that is what Dvet, as well as yourself GLENDA are doing.  And I did predict that I would get reamed out for my statement. 

Dvet started this thread he knew it was going to be controversial.

I like my vet and will pay good money to my vet because I have done my homework and know that she is up to date on her nutrition facts.

I have and will not again go to a vet with outdated nutrition facts.  If I had believed...if I hadn't done my research...my last vet would have prematurely killed my dearly departed cat.  He was still preaching "canned food is bad for your cat's teeth," while I had a cat with kidney failure.

This has been happening a lot lately - people shouldn't be getting jumped on for stating their thoughts. Just because someone doesn't like what's being said doesn't give that person any less right to say it.

ORIGINAL: dogslife

These plants produce inedible tallow and grease, which are used in livestock and poultry feed, soap, and production of fatty-acids

When you think about allergic problems, how would you ever be able to conclude just what your dog is allergic to.  Is this product of rendering in your dog's food?  That is why I say, if it hasn't got a name of an animal on that fat, "leave it"!!!

Not to disagree with you, because I totally agree with you...but I met a lady who had a dog with allergy problems (poultry).  She had 8 kids and obviously not alot of money, but she fed Pedigree when it used to be made with meat by product.  Now Pedigree had made some improvements and is made with Chicken by product.  But, anyways,  it worked for her dog.  Probably because Pedigree used to use horse.