Dog Community

Posted : 10/21/2006 2:54:16 PM

The bottom line is what works best for that particular dog, there is more than one way to feed a dog, most of us on this board having different feedings methods that work for our dogs. I have also seen dogs that I thought looked really well, nice coat, clear eyes, good muscle tone, just the picture of health, I asked the owner, a friend of mine what he feeds, cause the dogs looked really good and I was curious, and he said pets pride, that was the cheapest food he could find at the grocery store. He also stated that his vet has commented that his dogs are the picture of health.

tony

Posted : 10/21/2006 3:08:21 PM

My dad's dogs do great on Dog Chow.

Actually, I am impressed by the fact that they use chelated minerals in there Dog Chow formulas, if they were only out for a buck and didn't care about the dogs health at all, they would not bother with the expense of putting chelated minerals in the food, I'm sure that most people that buy dog chow don't care about whether they use chelated minerals, there are some higher end foods that don't even use chelated minerals.

cc431

Posted : 10/21/2006 3:20:16 PM

Brookcove had mentioned in an early post the Granular resembles some European feeds and recollects about days feeds had come from the butcher shops and such.

I think the European feed is noteworthy and Abady states this was more or less his inspiration in development of Abady feeds. The story is, dogs purchased from an European kennel brought back here to America suffered breakdown (hips) in so
many years. Returning to the kennels in Europe, he had noted and proven through x-rays dogs of the same litter still displaying text-book perfect hips. The difference Abady concluded must have been something in the food. Turns out their feeds in comparison were foods much higher in animal source proteins, low fiber, carb, etc., so he modeled his products with that concept.

cc431

Posted : 10/21/2006 3:48:39 PM

ORIGINAL: Monzie3

cc431
Your dog really does well on this food? I had tried it about a year ago, and didn't have great results, but I tried, however, Dusty had awful diarrhea on it, but then again, Dusty has issues. Do you think this food, now that some of the ingredients have changed is OK for a dog with digestive issues.

I think my dogs are doing very well on this stuff. It has been close to 5 years now with no trouble. Both dogs, the older Yorkie (13) and the Setter have no problems, that holds true for the older formula with corn as well.

I think in order to give the food a fair shot, you have to be willing to give it a good 30 days. The early diarrhea can scare you off but you really should give the product a chance for proper stool formation before being discouraged. That in itself could take up to a full week plus and I would suggest being able to home with your pet 24-7 for a few days, even if it means time off from work. You could be heading outside every few hours even at night for a stretch. Once that passes and proper stool formation is back, you jump that hurdle and then your start see some results. After a month then decide whether or not it seems to be working, not within the first two weeks during transition.

cc431

Posted : 10/21/2006 11:56:41 PM

ORIGINAL: belleandcodysmom Check out where the beef meat and bone meal is..... it's practically non-existant, the food has absolutely NO pro or pre-biotics or chelated minerals and contains menadione. This food is C-R-A-P IMO. Their claim of 92.4% protein from animal sources is totally misleading considering it comes from 99.9% byproducts and virtually NO meat.

Virtually no meat? Chicken by-product meal...Menhaden fish meal (Menhaden = herring family)...Beef Fat...Beef meat and bone meal...beef liver w/fat... Beef and Bone meal as an 8th ingredient, I'll take that over cranberry dust any day of the week.

No Pro Biotics? You really think this feed needs added vitamins?

ORIGINAL: belleandcodysmom What is most sickening is that now they are selling their CRAP for super premium prices by pretending to include quality ingredients that just DO NOT exist in their foods in order to jump on the holistic / natural food bandwagon.

I assume you feel the same about the Abady or is this ‘bandwagon#%92 comment just in regards to Purina? In any event, Abady is no bandwagon jumper when it comes to the natural/holistic theme. They have been producing preservative free natural feeds since 1972; a good 20 years prior to the Billinghurst give your dog bone stuff.

In regards to Purina, I think the regular Pro Plan (not the selects) is probably there best line. I would avoid their low-end stuff. Many top breeders in the country (including the breeder of my dog…there are only a handful of Llewellin breeders in the country) start their dogs w/ Pro Plan Puppy with excellent results through growth.

sandra_slayton

Posted : 10/22/2006 12:02:30 AM

I do think she was talking about Abady rather than Purina.

Cally01

Posted : 10/22/2006 8:21:30 AM

Here are some links from a closed forum on Abady dog food, these were given to me by Mordanna. Personally I would NEVER feed Abady dog food, people need to make their own informed choices tho[

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Here is his site which shows how he twists and turns basic truths about nutrition into something that helps him peddle his products. (Mordanna explained this to me, the owner of the Dog Food Project)[

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[linkhttp://www.abadyfeeds.com/]http://www.abadyfeeds.com/[/link]

Cally01

Posted : 10/22/2006 8:24:53 AM

cc431, how long have you worked for Abady?

cc431

Posted : 10/22/2006 10:34:47 AM

ORIGINAL: Cally01

Personally I would NEVER feed Abady dog food, people need to make their own informed choices

Personally I would NEVER feed anything but Abady! It works great for my dogs and I think they're both doing very, very well.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Please note (and I'm sure the moderator noted as well) I have not been rude, have not recommended, advised, provided a link to their website, suggested in any way shape or form anyone to try Abady. It works for my dogs, but not concerned about how it would work for others. Oh, once in a blue moon I will suggest it to someone with a particular situation where maybe home cooking is not an option and the poor dog has lost most of their teeth. Outside of that, do you really think it matters to me what people feed? I don't see any contests here with prizes as to who feeds the best stuff. People like to discuss their favorite feeds and talk about how their pets are doing. TO, EVO, Canadie, Wellness, whatever floats your boat, it is not a crime to talk about what you feed. I think only those who have their own personal issues (immaturity, jealousy, envy, doubts about their dogs health and feed, etc.) are the ones who feel the need to criticize another's product.

lisa baker

Posted : 10/22/2006 3:31:12 PM

Has anyoneever used the Abady raw or just the granular? Do you know how it may work on a dog with digestion problems. I tried this a while ago as I mentioned, but Dusty just had awful diarrhea on it, I know he has weak bowels and IBD and possible EPI. Mr. Abady has had me try all 3 formulas, the other day he told me to use the raw, but I'm real nervous about that. Do you have any more info. on it?
Does anyone know anything about where and how the food is made? Or what the plant is like?

cc431

Posted : 10/25/2006 9:02:13 AM

I have never tried the raw products from Abady, just the Granulars. I did see a frozen package where I shop an almost purchased a bag, but the Granular cost me enough so I just stay with that.

I do know through reading their literature, Abady questions the merits of the many commercial raw feed products today. Problem is these companies despite producing a raw feed still insist upon the inclusion a vegetables and plant matter in their product. This does not conform with he company philosophy.

Quotes:

The problem with the current raw diets is that most of them are primarily composed of plant matter which is indigestible to the dog (and cat), even though it is well known that feeding raw plant matter exclusively to dogs will result in starvation, because dogs do not produce the enzymes needed to break down cellulose (there are many other reasons as well).

In the 50s, the largest producer of dry diets circulated an absurd notion that dogs consumed mostly the plant matter contained in the internal organs of their prey, justifying the production of kibble composed mostly of highly processed grain. This mistake is now being applied to try to justify the use of voluminous amounts of raw vegetables which are included in today#%92s raw diets. Grain can be used by dogs if it is highly processed. Raw vegetables cannot, regardless of whether they are masticated by the animal or ground mechanically. In addition, the pulp produced is not suitable to the feeding of carnivores.

In short, while raw diets are supposed to prevent the problems created by commercial kibble, the concept of them, as it is elaborated today by companies other than Abady, is so faulty that their remedial effects are put in doubt.

Makes sense to me.

Charlie

sooner

Posted : 10/25/2006 10:13:22 AM

Nature's Variety raw is 95% meat.

I have a problem with any company who attempts to sell its product by degrading the competition. Not much information is given about the products they're selling, only about how bad everything else is. That makes me uncomfortable, because I want to know more about their product, not everybody elses. There's also a fine line to walk there where you're stating facts and then where you're twisting the facts to fit your argument. Mr. Abady seems to cross that line quite often.

amstaffy

Posted : 10/25/2006 10:28:51 AM

Charlie,
I must admit, you're making me proud [

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I've never tried Abady although a very good friend has and she liked the results she saw but did not stick with it.

I too would like more information of why I should use the product more then whats wrong with other foods. I know what I've used in the past with my dogs and the most consistant food I've used to date is Nature's Variety

cc431

Posted : 10/26/2006 7:54:02 AM

Thank You Admin! I'm surprised myself, and Abady thread that hasn't gone south. Well just like to toot my own horn I guess when you like a product and find it works.

I don't know why they choose not to disclose their ingredients from website, articles, etc. People like to know what in the stuff I guess before they buy typically. Maybe they figure they present enough material on company philosophy that you either trust in what they're saying...you're either in or your out type strategy...who knows?

brookcove

Posted : 10/26/2006 8:07:02 AM

you're either in or your out type strategy...who knows?

I certainly have noticed a sort of clublike loyalty among Abady users - I mean, even more so than the rest of us "premium food proponents." [sm=biggrin.gif]

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