Abady Classic Granular

By unpopular she means in terms of general public tastes. Most dark meat on a chicken goes unsold - breasts are needed in much higher quantity than any other part, thanks to the needs of restaurants for sandwich and nugget meat. Chickens these days are bred to have giant breasts and huge-mongous legs, but most of the leg meat is unneeded.

I'm sorry to say sandra that i'm pretty sure purina and the like use the latter,you cant make a first class product and use first class ingredients and sell the product at such cheap prices as they do,although i think their prices are over inflated when you look at the ingredients.

 
Yes you can.   I think both Ron2 and i explained this before.  It is called volumn.  I learned this working retail (I helped do the ordering).  Okay, you take a large chan of stores--they buy in great volumn and get wares at a lower price than the Mom and Pop Store down the street.  The large store chain store orders 100,000 item X (for all their stores) and the Mom and Pop store order 50 of the same item.  The chain may pay $1 each where the Mom and Pop store have to pay $1.25.  The chain store can sell that item for $1.35 and the Mom and Pop store has to sell it for $1.50.  The cahin store is making 35c, the mom and pop store are making 25c.  And over all, the chain store is selling 100,000 and the M& store are only selling 50.
 
In most cases the more you order, the lower the price.  The original company makes more becuase it is selling more, and then the store, etc, can sell it for cheaper than ones that only bought a few of the items.
 
My husband gets paid a % of the line haul.  There are times he will make more carrying a certain product 500 miles than he will taking it 800 miles because the closer one took less and was charged more because they only took 1/2 a tank where the longer trip took a full tank of the product and got a discount.

[sm=rofl.gif]  That is so funny and too true !!!  The ingredients in that food are of such poor quality and hyped to 'look' nutritious. Nothing different than the brainwashing advertising campaigns used by every major junkpetfood company out there.  Amazing the things people will believe or WANT to believe about an inferior quality food.  What is worse is these companies that try to push alternative crap food by pretending it's of higher quality than the commercial crap food, in reality a faux premium wannabe.
Chicken by-product meal as the first ingredient would have scared me away right off the bat without even having to look at the rest of the ingredient list.  Lard ?? Give me a break.. lard is worse than beef tallow !!!  Everyone knows that FISH OIL is the absolute best source of Omega 3 & 6 long chain fatty acids.  Lard is extremely high in saturated fats and mono-unsaturated fats.  This is why they are also using Sunflower oil to balance it out because Sunflower oil has the lowest amount of saturated fat.  SAFFLOWER oil has the highest amount of linoleic acid at 76.2 % while Lard has a measly 9.9%.  Sunflower has 70%. Check out where the beef meat and bone meal is..... it's practically non-existant, the food has absolutely NO pro or pre-biotics or chelated minerals and contains menadione.   This food is C-R-A-P  IMO.  Their claim of 92.4% protein from animal sources is totally misleading considering it comes from 99.9% byproducts and virtually NO meat.
 
Sandra... sorry to burst your bubble but VOLUME pricing has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.  Purina , Hills, etc buy the absolutely CHEAPEST quality ingredients they can get away with.  Ever hear of the term 'you get what you pay for ' ?  You cannot  expect to get QUALITY food from CHEAP products.  REAL MEAT costs  $$$... fresh veggies and fruits cost $$$, things Purina , SD, Hills are NOT willing to pay for because all of their money goes into their advertising/brainwashing campaigns and to pay "nutritionists" and "scientists" to create something sustainable out of pure waste product.   What is most sickening is that now they are selling their CRAP for super premium prices by pretending to include quality ingredients that just DO NOT exist in their foods in order to jump on the  holistic / natural food bandwagon. It's been proven that the real cost of most of the foods put out by these companies is less than $3 per 40 lb bag.. INCLUDING the price of the bag.  Just how much REAL FOOD do you actually think you're getting for a manufacturing cost of less than .10 cents a pound  when foods like Solid Gold, Timberwolf, Wellness, Natural balance, etc are using  expensive high quality ingredients like REAL MEAT , fresh veggies, fruits, salmon oil, probiotics, etc? These ingredients cost $$ which is why their prices are higher. YOu can't be that naive.. can you ?

And just how do you know Science Diet, Purina, etc buy the cheapest of everything?  Do you do the buying for them?  Do you do plant inspection to see what is brought in and used, do you work there?   Do you work in accounting and know how much they spend and how much it costs to make their products?And how do you know that Timberwolf, etc buy the best?  Do you do the buying for them?  Do you do plant inspections to see what is brought in and used, do you work there?   Do you do the accounting for any of them so you know how much they spend and how much it costs them to make each product? If not I would have to say you are basing everything on what you have read and what your have heard, not facts.  Why is why one of your prefered foods claims such and such,you take it bible sworn truth, nothing but the truth.  But let Purina, SD, or several others claim such and such and they are liars, brainwashing the public.

By the way, you didn't burst my bubble.  I know how the volume buying and sales works.  And you have yet to prove Purina and some of the other larger companies doesn't work this way.  You show me  real facts and figures, as to where they get their ingredients, how much they pay for them and the rate per pound, bushel, etc, cost of manufacturing, etc  (and i mean real ones, not ones someone "thinks" is right) as I have never seen them posted anywhere. 
 
It is kind of funny that you call me naive, brainwashed, etc and yet I am known for reasoning things out, looking at things from all angles and studying something before I jump in.   And when there is as much disagreement over something as there is over dog food, then I go with what I see with my own eyes, not what someone tells me is best. 
 
 

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Why is why one of your prefered foods claims such and such,you take it bible sworn truth, nothing but the truth.  But let Purina, SD, or several others claim such and such and they are liars, brainwashing the public.

 
I think it just makes sense that a food with the ingredients below would be better for a carnivore:
 




Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Ground Barley, Ground Brown Rice, Potatoes, Natural Flavors, Ground White Rice, Chicken Fat, Herring, Apples, Carrots, Cottage Cheese, Sunflower Oil, Alfalfa Sprouts, Egg, Garlic, Taurine, Vitamins/Minerals, Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms 

 
Than a food like this:
 
Ground yellow corn, ground wheat, lamb meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), meat and bone meal, soybean meal, sugar, water, sorbitol, animal digest, salt, phosphoric acid, potassium chloride, sorbic acid (a preservative), dried peas, dried carrots, calcium propionate (a preservative), zinc proteinate, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 2), vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, DL-Methionine, copper proteinate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, calcium carbonate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite. 
 
And the reason that people say that companies like Science Diet and Purina are brainwashing people is because their advertising is so misleading. Like for the food above, it's called "Lamb Meal and Rice Formula" and the first two ingredients are corn and wheat. If it was called "Corn and Wheat Formula" I don't think too many people would buy it because common sense says that's more like chicken feed than dog food. []

Am I mistaken or have I read that the meat is mostly water and if listed after the food was made, it would be down on the list of ingredients, not leading them?    I am almost sure I read that after someone gave a list of ingredients and lamb was first.  They  said should it should have been after all the grains, not leading.    That may not have been on this forum, but I do think it was.
 
 

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Am I mistaken or have I read that the meat is mostly water and if listed after the food was made, it would be down on the list of ingredients, not leading them?    I am almost sure I read that after someone gave a list of ingredients and lamb was first.  They  said should it should have been after all the grains, not leading.    That may not have been on this forum, but I do think it was.

 
Yes that's true; that's why a meat based food would have the ingredient list reading like:
 
meat meal, meat, meat..... or meat, meat meal....
 
Not:
 
grain, grain, meat meal

Meat meal has the water removed. So a food that lists meat, meat, and meat meal would presumably contain more meat than a food that lists grain, grain, meat meal.

The "facts" you are demanding, Sandra, and want to see with your own eyes, will never out. Companies keep such information private, if not dead secret, so as not to give away proprietary formulas. So we can only deal with what they are required to offer us in the way of information. That's ingredient lists and nutritional profiles.

I went to dinner with a really interesting person last weekend who is a NIH research biologist in the field of immunology. One main topic of research that she did recently was how proteins make it intact and recognizable from the digestive system, into the bloodstream. In other words, a protein from wheat is distinguishable from one from beef muscle meat, even after the digestive process. I've been planning to look up her research and go into it a bit more. That's facts for you. To me, this means the kind of protein does make a difference for my dog, especially my dog with allergies

She feeds her dogs raw, by the way.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Am I mistaken or have I read that the meat is mostly water and if listed after the food was made, it would be down on the list of ingredients, not leading them?   

 
True, up to 70% moistue and by law, companies can legally constitute a percentage of that water as a solid.  That is one of the reasons  you cannot make an effective diet with out liberal inclusion of by-product meals.  Even raw feeders learn they need to include organ meat in the diet for it to become properly balanced and effective.
 
By-product meal cost multiples less than meat muscle.  Therefore for the same cost, a manufacture can purchase 3X's more product to include in the diet.  By-product meals therefore can deliver the animal source proteins needed for a diet to become effective.  The diets with fresh meat muscle as a #1 are the diets at fault.  Misleading advertising masquerading as meat-based diets when in reality they are clevery designed grain-based diets.  I would only look for a feed that contained by-product meals to feed my dogs.  Sure it is ok to envsion Frank Purdue with a white glove hand-trimming cuts of chicken for your dogs diet, and if that makes you feel better...great.  I feel better knowing my food delivers the goods and doesn't need to use the protein from veggies and fruits to fill a nutrition gap.

cc--gorgeous setter!!!![]

I am curious about something regarding the granular consistency....

I know that if you grind feed too fine in pigs (which is similar to a dog's GI tract--monogastric omnivore), they can develop really bad ulcers because of the greater amount of acid produced in the stomach than what it actually takes to break down the food.   Has your dog had any stomach-upset problems on this food?

The "facts" you are demanding, Sandra, and want to see with your own eyes, will never out.

 
Exactly.  People are only repeating what they hear from others, what they read  To constantly say that SD,Purina, etc use only the lowest cost ingredients, that their nutirtionists, etc are just there to find a way to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, they use feathers, beaks,  etc, etc is just rumor  being repeated over and over becuase nobody has seen the actual facts and figures, never seen what is brought into the plants.  At some point someone "said" and it has gone on from there.  And the same applies to the "top of the line" ones as well.  There is no way of knowing they use chicken breast instead of the "unpopular dark meat" these "crap manufactures" use.  As a matter of fact, in all the ingredient lists, I have never seen it listed as chicken  or turkey breast,  sirlon cuts of beef, etc, just chicken, turkey, beef.  And chicken, as far as i am concerned, could mean any part of the chicken. Since things like feet and heads and throats are a delicacy in China and maybe other countries, then that would have to be considered fit for human consumption.  And naturally we eat livers and gizzards and hearts--well, at least some of us do. (dogs were suppose to have fish last night but i took a hankering for liver & onions and they ended up having liver & veggies instead of fish & veggies.  Have their chicken stew cooking right now, has been since last night.)
 
I am sure that most, if not all, companies pull a little sneaky or try to, over on us.  But i do not believe most of these companies use the horrible, cheap, worthless, ingredients , nor fill sawdust with vitamins and pass it off as dog food.

ORIGINAL: papillon806  cc--gorgeous setter!!!![]

I am curious about something regarding the granular consistency....

I know that if you grind feed too fine in pigs (which is similar to a dog's GI tract--monogastric omnivore), they can develop really bad ulcers because of the greater amount of acid produced in the stomach than what it actually takes to break down the food.   Has your dog had any stomach-upset problems on this food?

 
Nope, no problems...I only really need to go to Vet for the state-law shots.  No upset stomach problems.  I recall in the beginning (5 years ago) during the transition diarrhea for about a week, but once that passed perfect stool formation and small compact stools.  They come out normal, but harden up quick and solid.  You can practically step on them and they won't squish into your shoe.

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Your dog really does well on this food?  I had tried it about a year ago, and didn't have great results, but I tried, however, Dusty had awful diarrhea on it, but then again, Dusty has issues.  Do you think this food, now that some of the ingredients have changed is ok for a dog with digestive issues.
I spoke with Mr. Abady the other day, inquirirng again about the food, he suggested I try his raw food, but it's hard for me to get where I'm at and the shipping is very expensive.
Tell me more about how this food is so great, I keep getting drawn back to it, but I just don't know.
Thanks,
 Monica

Dog Chow is not meant to compete with the higher end foods, last I read the natural holistic pet food market made up less than 5 percent of the total pet food market.  The other 95 percent of the market listed, these things as the most important qualities they look for in a pet food, price, convenience and palatablity companies like Natura, target the people that want a natural and holistic feed and will go to specialty shops, and pay a premium to buy those products, roughly about 5% of the pet owning public. A large company like Purina will target the other 95% of the market.  I personally know about 30 people that own dogs,(most of whom don't even feed Purina but use the generic store brands). I have tried to convince many of them to change there dog food, even to just switch to Purina ONE and when I say you should look at the ingredients list, they think I am from Mars, and they say you should look at the price, and my dog likes the generic brand and it is cheap so I am not switching.  The bottom line is that the vast majority of people want a cheap, convenient, palatable, dog food.
 
 

My dad's dogs do great on Dog Chow.  They are healthy, have great coats, minimal shedding.  Nothing is wrong at all with them.  Maybe a better quality food would be a bit better, but why change what is working just fine.  I don't feed Dog Chow to my dogs though.  Rose does best on Bil-Jac.  I really think it depends on the dog.  Too many people here focus on ingredients and won't try something just because it has one ingredient they don't like in it.  But, what if the dog does great on that food?  Many people say I should change off of Bil-Jac, but why?  My dogs love it, and they look great.