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Evo RF

Posted : 10/3/2006 11:02:51 AM

I am noticing something at work that is bothering me. I'm wondering what your opinions are, how you would respond and if you can provide links to information that may be suitable to give out to customers in an effort to educate them.

We have seen an increase in Pit Bull owners coming into our shop and wanting to buy Evo RF or which ever food we have that has the most protein. In an effort to put lean muscle on their dogs. These dogs are in great health and at a perfect weight, if not a bit thin usually. But the customer has it in their head that more is better. The last guy that came in is actually an althlete..the kind that gets paid big bucks..I'll not mention teams or the specific sport. He has 11 dogs and even after I tried to explain to him that more isn't always the better choice..he bought every bag of Evo RF we have. It was like talking to brick wall. Two days later a friend and team mate of his came in and wanted to special order more. The conversation went the same way with this guy. Within that conversation I learned that they are also supplementing the kibble with plain raw beef. In the last couple of months there have been several others and most seem to all know each other. Their goal is to put the maximum amount of bulk on their dog.

chewbecca

Posted : 10/3/2006 11:43:06 AM

why is high protein not necessarily better?
Why am I hearing so much of this lately?
I don't understand.
I feed a 36% protein kibble ( when not feeding raw ) and I don't know how high of protein you're talking about, but I thought high protein was a good thing.

Unless you're talking about bulk of food, then I understand.

jennie_c_d

Posted : 10/3/2006 12:55:26 PM

High protein isn't better, because it doesn't work for every dog, or every person. High protein kibbles, in particular (since kibble is not a natural food "format".... format is the best way I can think of to say it), can be very difficult for some dogs to digest.

High protein also does not add muscle onto anyone, without appropriate exersize. It does help, when there is appropriate activity, but otherwise, it's more calorie dense, and it's not doing anything but putting a strain on the kidneys.

mudpuppy

Posted : 10/3/2006 1:02:22 PM

body builders have always chugged high protein supplements and stuff. It doesn't work, but it won't hurt either. Evo RF is a fine food, it won't hurt the pit bulls even if supplemented with meat. What exactly do these people DO with their "built" pit bulls? that would be my concern. They aren't fighting them are they?

Mandy

Posted : 10/3/2006 1:06:57 PM

Dogs are designed for meat as the main ingredient. They can't handle all these fillers that dog food (kibble) uses. Dogs need more protein than anything else. I too feed a high protein dog food. High protein, low carb, no fillers is what dogs need and are designed for.

chewbecca

Posted : 10/3/2006 1:42:26 PM

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

body builders have always chugged high protein supplements and stuff. It doesn't work, but it won't hurt either. Evo RF is a fine food, it won't hurt the pit bulls even if supplemented with meat. What exactly do these people DO with their "built" pit bulls? that would be my concern. They aren't fighting them are they?

They use them for work. Not sure what kind of work, but work of sorts. They can also put them into weight pulling. I've seen lots of pics of well toned, muscular pit bulls that aren't used for fighting.
Pit bulls naturally (usually) are more on the toned side anyway, and even a little bit of exercise can bring those muscles out.
Ella was nicely toned when we got her from the shelter (not as muscular and as toned as some, but toned nonetheless) and the shelter had her for a year.
My fiancee is suffering from a bicycle injury, but if he were not, Ella would probably be even more toned.

DeAnna Haase

Posted : 10/3/2006 2:36:14 PM

I feed a 36% protein kibble ( when not feeding raw ) and I don't know how high of protein you're talking about, but I thought high protein was a good thing.

Evo RF is 52% protein.
I feed my dogs raw so I'm not against feeding protein..I'm concerned that they are feeding as much protein as they can cram into the dogs with the sole purpose being bigger dogs. I guess my question is can you feed too much protein? I am finding lots of articles regarding growth and puppies but none on adult dogs and long term feeding of high protein diets. The studies I do find refer to 34% as high protein not 52%. Perhaps it's more about the quality of protein..and as long as it's good quality no harm? Maybe I should be glad they are feeding the Evo and not just plain meat. I just feel that when you focus hard on one thing often other important components are forgotten.

I don't know what they are doing with the dogs..I asked and after stumbling around and me finally listing a few options...got an answer of showing and weight pull. I don't know if thats true or not.

Margaret Tyler

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:10:57 PM

Here's my issue...

If they are breeders, are they feeding Innova Evo to their pups? If so, Innova Evo is not a good food for large breed pups.

Edie

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:30:15 PM

I've heard of evo RM(red meat),but what is the RF?

These guys sound like the typical hard arsed man who wants an even harder arsed dog by his side [8|] It wouldnt surprise me if they are supplementing their dogs with those protein shakes aswell,thinking if it's good for them and bulks them up then it'll do the same for their dogs [&o]
Personally i dont see any problems with high protein diets for dogs,especially not canine athletes.

Twin

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:32:16 PM

EVO RF = EVO Reduced Fat [

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Margaret Tyler

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:33:50 PM

ORIGINAL: Twin

EVO RF = EVO Reduced Fat []

Ohhhh[&:]. So they want super lean, but muscular dogs. You know, I didn't know that existed. Now I have to change the answer to one of my other posts....

Edie

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:38:49 PM

Thanks [

] In that case it sounds like they are pushing human physiology(sp?) etc onto dogs! If they want built up dogs then i wouldnt be going the reduced fat road,makes no sense?? Next time they come in try recommending the regular EVO,and explain that dogs bodies do not work quite the same as humans...well,not in this regard,i dont think.

Twin

Posted : 10/3/2006 7:40:18 PM

Innova EVO Reduced Fat

The Evolutionary Diet for the Modern Canine

The Innova EVO line of pet foods have been specially designed to provide all the key nutritional benefits received from the feeding of raw food diets but with the benefits of 21st Century nutritional research. EVO Reduced Fat (RF) dog food contains 30% less fat than regular EVO Dog Food but with 20% MORE protein. Recent studies have shown that high protein, low fat diets help to build lean body mass while still acheiving weight loss (weight loss occurs until an equalibrium of muscle to fat is reached).

Only the highest quality turkey and chicken, including the meat, cartilage, fat, bone and connective tissue attached to the necks, backs and wings are used in the making of EVO RF. Whole fruits and vegetables are added to supply important, health promoting nutrients that dogs would find foraging for food. Live, naturally occurring microorganisms are then gently sprayed on after the cooling process.

Innova EVO RF...What to feed when you can't feed raw.

Innova EVO RF Dog Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) Dog Food Nutrient Profiles for ALL LIFE STAGES.

Innova EVO RF is available in 28.6 lb., 13.2 lb., and 6.6 lb. packages.

Moisture: 10.0%
Protein: 52%
Fat: 15.5%
Fiber: 2.50%
Calories: 1643 Kcal/lb
Calories: 3615 Kcal/Kg
Calories: 440 KCals/Cup

chewbecca

Posted : 10/3/2006 8:52:55 PM

ORIGINAL: Edie

Thanks [] In that case it sounds like they are pushing human physiology(sp?) etc onto dogs! If they want built up dogs then i wouldnt be going the reduced fat road,makes no sense?? Next time they come in try recommending the regular EVO,and explain that dogs bodies do not work quite the same as humans...well,not in this regard,i dont think.

Not according to their train of thought, apparently.
They think what they'll end up with is lean but muscular dogs. This might be so if they're weight pulling or something, but if they are trying to get these results without weight pulling or exercising their dogs, it won't happen.
What they'll end up with (if they exercise their dogs) is lean dogs that are muscular but end up having some health issues down the road.
Whatever they're doing, it doesn't seem like it's probably well balanced and it sounds fishy to me.

chewbecca

Posted : 10/3/2006 8:54:10 PM

and dear LORD, I can only IMAGINE the ash content in THAT food.