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It was that Timberwolf Organics distributor that continiously harped on this. My Organics Pets or whatever was her name. She constanstantly mentioned the road kill and euthanized pets that supposodly was part of animial digest. I could never verify this and concluded that she was full of you know what.

Years ago when Ollie (my sons Dane that had bad allergies) was young I went in a Natural Pet Shop that sold remium pet food and frozen raw, I went to buy Canidea  food for him on Idog members suggestions, for Ollies allergies.  That MIGHT be the first time I heard of road kill  and euthenized pets in dog food and for sure was the first time I heard about raw feeding.  I have read it in other places since, but honestly seems like the same article that keeps getting repeated by different people. I thought it was probably true,,,but now when reading that people like Randy Wysong saying that is isn't true and the report that they were able to test food to see that there was NO CATS OR DOGS in it,,,,I am rethinking the whole thing.
I'm sure its a great selling feature to say that some food companies do put it in their food...I believe My Organic Pets sold pet food for a living.

ORIGINAL: dyan

but now when reading that people like Randy Wysong saying that is isn't true and the report that they were able to test food to see that there was NO CATS OR DOGS in it,,,,

Sorry but I'm not seeing the difference in euthanized cattle and horses or euthanized cats and dogs. They may use the word pets in an article for the shock value, while in truth it's large animals - but that isn't any better than small animals. Either way it was proven that there were euthanized animals in some foods.

I am gonna eat cows and possibily horse, but not dog or cat.  I am not sure how they kill our "meat" animals.  I beliefe at one they they knocked them in the head, but that was considered to cruel.  Don't know how it is done today.

Sorry but I'm not seeing the difference in euthanized cattle and horses or euthanized cats and dogs.

 
Neither am I!  At least when it comes to having a certain chemical in your pets food. BUT I was answering this post:
 

She constanstantly mentioned the road kill and euthanized pets that supposodly was part of animial digest. I could never verify this and concluded that she was full of you know what.

There is certainly a heck of a difference in putting dead cattle and even dead horses  in pet food as opposed to road kill and euthanized pets.
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ORIGINAL: dyan

There is certainly a heck of a difference in putting dead cattle and even dead horses  in pet food as opposed to road kill and euthanized pets.

How? Those cattle and horses are euth'ed with the same chemicals, only more of them, and those cattle and horses could have been somebody's pets... I really don't see any difference at all other than the gross out factor of it being 'cats' and 'dogs'. As for the road kill, I don't know where it goes and I never care to find out, but if it goes to a rendering plant then it probably ends up in food too, there's just no way to detect it like there is with the euth chemicals.

I am not arguing the point of the chemicals being in the dog food..as I said.

Neither am I!  At least when it comes to having a certain chemical in your pets food. BUT I was answering this post:

I was kind of just talking about the fact that certain people (as MOP) talk a lot about people putting road kill and euthanized pets into dog food and that the interview with Randy Wysong said he hasn't seen any of it and then they tested the food they thought had euthanized pets in and found they didn't.   I'm thinking now they either never did and the rumor mill and some food companies just started that, or they stopped doing it.
Hey ya know............I am not defending the food that has pentobarbital in it,,,,gee, I feed Eagle Pack Holistic.

I know and I see most of what you're saying, but I was replying to this:

ORIGINAL: dyan

There is certainly a heck of a difference in putting dead cattle and even dead horses in pet food as opposed to road kill and euthanized pets.
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How is it different?

they tested the food they thought had euthanized pets in and found they didn't.

But it did have euthanized 'animals' in it. The word 'pets' could just as well be used to describe large animals. I just don't see any difference at all

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What the testing has indicated, as of 2002, is that euthanized small animal pets, dogs and cats, are not being used in pet foods. But that there are still some levels of Pentobarbitol, found in pet foods. It is at a level that is too low to detect any problems and it is physically impossible for an animal to eat enough food at one time to suffer an appreciable build-up. And that they haven't found a toxic reaction yet, just the presence of a marker in the liver that is a response to any foreign element. I presume that the presence of the drug is in the meat that we eat, too, if that is what they use to slaughter our food animals. As Sandra said, they used to slaughter with a special device that drove a rod into the braincase of the animal, causing instant death with the cessation of brain function, heart and lung action. That was deemed inhumane.

I presume that the presence of the drug is in the meat that we eat, too, if that is what they use to slaughter our food animals. As Sandra said, they used to slaughter with a special device that drove a rod into the braincase of the animal, causing instant death with the cessation of brain function, heart and lung action. That was deemed inhumane.

It is illegal to use chemically euth'd animals for human consumption.  The "humane killer" is still in use - there's two types, the "penetrating" as you describe, and the "mushroom", which operates outside to produce acceleration concussion.

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Shooting is also permitted.

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Electric stunning is also in use in sheep and pig plants.

The difference nowadays is that they make sure they are happy as they move through the chutes - in the old days they hustled them, shocked them, prodded them, and hung them and THEN whacked them.  They use the natural instinct of the cattle to move toward light, away from scary sounds, towards their friends, towards feeding areas, uphill versus down, etc, to keep the flow going. The really forward thinking areas make sure the killing areas are the lightest, happiest parts - basically you can get a good aim on a calm beast and the government gets REALLY unhappy if you screw up and hang one conscious.

Temple Grandin has almost single handedly changed the way our meat starts its journey to our table. http://www.grandin.com/  As much as you ever wanted to know about the slaughter indutry.

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Whatever,,,,,its very sad regardless.
For me,, I would feed food that doesn't have it in since most didn't,,,I have that choice.  But also for me...I find it much more disgusting to feed my pet food with dogs and cats and roadkill then cattle or farm animals. Whether it would be euthanized or not.  That was the point of my post.

ORIGINAL: dyan

Whatever,,,,,its very sad regardless.
For me,, I would feed food that doesn't have it in since most didn't,,,I have that choice.  But also for me...I find it much more disgusting to feed my pet food with dogs and cats and roadkill then cattle or farm animals. Whether it would be euthanized or not.  That was the point of my post.

I agree that it's very sad, but I really don't see how it's any worse whether it's a dog, cat, pig, cow, or any other animal. Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs and are kept as pets. Cows, sheep and all animals, are sentient beings.... I think it's kind of silly to say that one animals life is worth more than another (as in it's worse for a dog to be slaughtered for food, vs. a pig for example). [8|]

ORIGINAL: dyan

Whatever,,,,,its very sad regardless.
For me,, I would feed food that doesn't have it in since most didn't,,,I have that choice.  But also for me...I find it much more disgusting to feed my pet food with dogs and cats and roadkill then cattle or farm animals. Whether it would be euthanized or not.  That was the point of my post.

I wonder how many people would eat food that contained human body parts?

I wonder how many people would eat food that contained human body parts?

Probably NONE!
I do agree with you Luv,,, actually my favorite farm animal is a pig...I love them. 
But I guess its our American way to feed farm animals...a practice that some people don't believe in or do. Certainly it saddens me when I think of it...I love and feel for all animals. 
But I guess when a farm animal if brought into this life for this reason it seems a little different then killing a pet dog.   But of course the conversation is not about animals in general, its about euthanized pets and farm animals in dog food which is something that was said by a few people/companies and doesn't seem to be true.

ORIGINAL: dyan

its about euthanized pets and farm animals in dog food which is something that was said by a few people/companies and doesn't seem to be true.

But it IS true, even by the article you posted "Presently, it is assumed that the pentobarbital residues are entering pet foods from euthanized, rendered cattle or even horses."

Good post Luv.

*I* wouldn't ever feed a food that contained generic sources, but in general, if it weren't for the chemical factors - I wouldn't have a problem with them using dead animal material (even roadkill) to provide sustenance for other animals. It's a circle of life thing.