Dried Egg Product, Veggie and Animal Protiens

About "egg product"... I personally would avoid it because I'd rather have fresh whole eggs in my dog's food. I have a feeling most "product" is of questionable quality and freshness.
 
In regards to animal vs. vegetable protein, the fact is, yes, for both dogs AND humans, animal protein is more digestible and more complete, in terms of amino acids (which are the building blocks of protein. Taurine is one, lysine is another, tryptophan another, etc.). Animal proteins (most, all, I'm not sure?) are "complete", because they have all the essential amino acids, "essential" are the ones our bodies can't produce themselves. For example, taurine is an essential amino acid for cats, meaning they have to obtain it from their diet, but humans and dogs produce it themselves (though it's still not a bad idea to include some in the diet).
 
To put it another way, if a food is 25% protein from vegetables, dogs might only be able to utilize 10 or so percent, but if it's 25% good quality animal protein (meaning not by-products, which may or may not include hair, nails, hide, feet, etc., because they're not very digestible but would still contribute to crude protein), they might get 20 or more percent. So yes, it does make a big difference.

Mordanna at the Dog Food Project advises against "egg product" thusly -
 





Egg Product

May also appear as "dried Egg Product" or "dehydrated Egg Product" in some ingredient lists.
AAFCO: Egg product is product obtained from egg graders, egg breakers, and/or hatchery operations that is dehydrated, handled as liquid, or frozen.
An inexpensive byproduct from eggs processed for human food production. Quality and contamination of this product is unknown.
 
 [linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients[/link]

This came up in a thread the other day as something Mordanna contradicts herself on. She strongly endorses Eagle Pack, who uses dried egg product, but still has it on the ingredients to avoid list, so I guess it depends on if you trust the company using it.

This came up in a thread the other day as something Mordanna contradicts herself on. She strongly endorses Eagle Pack, who uses dried egg product, but still has it on the ingredients to avoid list, so I guess it depends on if you trust the company using it.

 
Eagle Pack says:
We use complete whole egg from a farm producing for human use. Some brands use broken eggs, or yolks and whites which are later recombined, and called Dried Egg Product.  AAFCO forces us to use that term but our egg is whole, human grade egg.
So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it sounds like if a company puts egg in their food,,,they have to call it DRIED EGG PRODUCT... so you don't know from one company to the next what they are using,,unless you ask them.  Therefore if it is used as Eagle Pack uses it,,, it is a very good ingredient.
 

ORIGINAL: sooner
This came up in a thread the other day as something Mordanna contradicts herself on. She strongly endorses Eagle Pack, who uses dried egg product, but still has it on the ingredients to avoid list, so I guess it depends on if you trust the company using it.

 
I see it in a lot of foods. It's never been something I take great pains to avoid. The other ingredients in a good food outweigh the possible downsides of egg product IMO.

I'd rather exchange money for actual real egg. I mean if egg product was regular egg, they'd call it egg.

Paula

I'd rather exchange money for actual real egg. I mean if egg product was regular egg, they'd call it egg.

BUT if its true as Eagle Pack says on their brochure,,,the AAFCO makes them use the term dried egg product....so they must not be allowed to call it an egg!

Also, there is talk of animal protein and plant protein. What is the difference in the protein? Is one better for you than the other? Does one do something different in the body? I don't know where to find the answers to these questions.

Dyan answered the question about egg product; the difference between protein in grains and meat is the amino acids they have; dogs utilize the amino acids from meat more readily. Dogs must obtain 10 of the essential amino acids in their diet; they can synthesize the other 12 internally. I will try to find some links that specifically state what I just said instead of "dogs need a meat based diet" but I read about this in two books on animal nutrition some time ago. Here is something comparing the amino acids from corn and meat;  [linkhttp://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?siteid=12&acatid=169&aid=207]http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?siteid=12&acatid=169&aid=207[/link]
 
    Utilization is another key to evaluating protein sources. Corn has digestible protein that is absorbed, but it is not as usable by the body as the protein from meat or eggs. Corn must be combined with another grain to supply the range of essential amino acids that meat or eggs supply by themselves. Pets will need to eat larger quantities of corn and other grains to obtain the same amount of usable protein that is in chicken.
                                    

My question is are you talking about dried egg in dog food or as a suppliment?
 
Markie has been on Whole Egg Powder as a suppliment for the past two weeks for performance and appitite boost along with some other products from Natures Farmacy. What a difference it has made in his system, appitite, coat and over all looks

BUT if its true as Eagle Pack says on their brochure,,,the AAFCO makes them use the term dried egg product....so they must not be allowed to call it an egg!

I've seen several pet foods that just says "eggs" or "whole eggs" or "chicken eggs" in their ingredients list. How come they're allowed to say it and EP's not? Something's fishy here...
 
Editted to state specific brands. Nature's Variety, Innova, Lotus (local chain store's brand, but still), Blue Buffalo, and many more. Those are just the ones I found just now.

ORIGINAL: dyan

I'd rather exchange money for actual real egg. I mean if egg product was regular egg, they'd call it egg.

BUT if its true as Eagle Pack says on their brochure,,,the AAFCO makes them use the term dried egg product....so they must not be allowed to call it an egg!

So here's my question : if dried egg product is actually just legitimate egg, what's the difference between "dried whole egg"" in say Innova, and "dried egg product" in something else. There must be a difference for them to call them different things right?

Paula

There must be a difference for them to call them different things right?

 
  Maybe; 

     AAFCO: Egg product is product obtained from egg graders, egg breakers, and/or hatchery operations that is dehydrated, handled as liquid, or frozen  




 
 
  

So here's my question : if dried egg product is actually just legitimate egg, what's the difference between "dried whole egg"" in say Innova, and "dried egg product" in something else. There must be a difference for them to call them different things right?

Maybe, but Jones wrote that Mordanna writes:

Egg Product

May also appear as "dried Egg Product" or "dehydrated Egg Product" in some ingredient lists
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so maybe they can use different names.
 
I do want to know why Eagle says that AAFCO forces them to use that term though,,,if other dog foods don't.   I will try to find out that one.
 
Jamie,,,I believe we are talking about in food,,,not supplements. I also use Natures Farmacy supplement, but the Liquid Dispersible.

ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

There must be a difference for them to call them different things right?

Maybe; 

    AAFCO: Egg product is product obtained from egg graders, egg breakers, and/or hatchery operations that is dehydrated, handled as liquid, or frozen  




 
 
  

Here's my problem, I always suspect definitions that use the word being defined. Eg. Egg product is a product of eggs. So what is the nature of this product that it is not called simply egg? To parse it, by this definition as a product of egg it must be some egg derivative, some fraction or aspect of egg...... so I'm going to stick to my distinction that I'd rather pay for "egg" vs. "egg product". 

Ya, I'm a bit of  cynic.
Paula