Mixing Raw & Kibble

    • Gold Top Dog

    Mixing Raw & Kibble

    I just got back from the vets office.  My vet is a holistic vet and REALLY promotes feeding raw.  I had tried Duke on raw before, but he never really took to it.  But I want to try again, especially because I think that Daisy would really benefit from it.  Now, I would really like to give Daisy & Duke their Solid Gold kibble in the morning (Mainly because they don't usually their first meal all at once, they pick away at it slowly) and then feed the raw in the evening.  BUT my vet said that I can not do that!  She said that if I won't feed them just raw then I shouldn't feed them raw at all, just stick to the kibble.  When I asked her why, she said that they could not digest it and I would cause them a lot of problems. 
     
    After leaving the vet I ran down to our local Natural Dog food store.  They said the same thing.  I have seen that other posters have mixed kibble and raw, do you find that there are problems???
    I find it kinda weird??????
    • Gold Top Dog
    There are a lot of different theories on this, and some people are pretty passionate about it, especially when talking about mixing in the same meal. From what I've heard kibble takes about twelve hours to clear the system and raw takes about six. The 'theory' being that the kibble makes the raw stay in the system longer and increases the risk of bacterial-type illnesses. Most people just feed one in the morning and one at night and don't have any problems. I don't see why they're saying it has to be all or nothing.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Yeah, I could understand what you are saying about the kibble making the raw stay in their system too long, but if I am feeding one in the morning and one at night, why would it matter???
     
    But I told them that was the plan and they are REALLY against it!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Ive read that kibble and raw should be fed together, as in the same meal, but many people feed 1 meal raw and 1 meal kibble and their dogs do fine. When Liz would actually eat raw she was fed kibble in the morning and raw in the evening and she did fine. She turns up her nose at raw now.
     
    But your pup really should be fine, try it out for a week or 2 and see how they handle it. I believe Glenda feeds kibble in the morning and homecooked in the evening and sometimes raw and her dogs are doing great. I think it all depends on if your dogs can handle it.
     
    • Silver
    Ok I personally think it's feeding both together that causes the problems. I don't see why you can't feed kibble in the morning then raw at night. I know alot of people that feed that way.
     
    I always have a small amount of kibble in my dogs bowl for him to munch on during the day if he gets hungry. He doesn't touch it though. Then I feed raw meat and veg at night. My vet has always known how I feed and never said anything to me, nor have I had problems.
     
    Maybe your vet doesn't want you to feed kibble at all.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: mallymute
    Maybe your vet doesn't want you to feed kibble at all.

     
    I would think that is the case, but she told me that she would prefer me to not feed raw at all if I was going to mix.  Oh well,  I think that I will give it a try and see how it works. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Here we go, this is my current state.
     
    I, personally, for the past two days have been feeding my dog kibble and raw burger, mixed together.  It's only for one meal, but I haven't had any problems yet.  I was having troubles getting her to eat any raw at all so my vet tech suggested trying it this way at first.  I'm not going to advise you either way, I'm not experienced enough, but I'll just let you know that I've been doing it and my dog has not shown any problems as of YET.  Now, I could get on here tomorrow and being freaking out saying she's ill, but she's actually functioning a lot better.  She hasn't had smelly gas and she LOVES her burger and kibble. She gets ALL excited for it.
     
    You said you're having problems getting your dog to take to raw?  I was too.  I took my vet tech's advice (minus the part where she told me to dampen her kibble and see if she'd eat it that way first and then gradually add in ground burger) and started with ground burger and she's been good on it. 
     
     
    I've heard, also, not to feed raw and kibble at the same time.  I still don't have an answer.  I would think it would matter, but my dog has been fine.  But I freeze the meat and pull it out every morning and put it in my fridge to thaw and feed it around 9 pm every night.  I started out with a fattier meat though because A.) it was cheaper B.) I figured the extra fat might make it tastier/more tempting for her.
    Whatever it was, it worked.
    • Gold Top Dog
      Daisy is really cute.  I'm no expert, but I've mixed raw meat with kibble and have had no problems; I've also fed Nature's Variety raw medallions in the morning and kibble in the evening. There are many people on this forum that feed kibble and raw.
        I haven't been feeding raw for a while because I'm not really convinced it is better than a premium kibble and that dogs can digest it as well as cooked or processed food, although that's JMO. There haven't been any studies done about how well dogs digest raw food but in a human study it was found that people digested cooked eggs much better than raw eggs. There is a slight risk of dogs getting sick from the bacteria in raw meat.  Jessie has had mucousy diarrhea before after eating raw beef. She had been used to eating raw meat so I'm fairly certain the diarrhea was from E-coli in the beef. I froze the meat for a week prior to feeding it to kill any parasitic cysts or larvae but freezing does not kill bacteria; it only makes it dormant. I hope the comments I made about bacteria and digesting raw meat didn't confuse you. Most dogs fed a raw diet seem to thrive, but I think it's good to understand it's not completely without risks.
    • Silver
    I feed kibble in the morning and raw at night and have for a couple of years with no problems.  I don't feed both in the same meal because of the digestive rates but I know that there are people who do.
     
    Would there be more benefit to my dogs if I fed raw both meals a day?  Probably yes, but I've never been told that you can't feed 1 meal of each each day.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I started out with a fattier meat though

     
     Be careful about feeding fatty meat; it can cause pancreatitis in dogs.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

    I started out with a fattier meat though


    Be careful about feeding fatty meat; it can cause pancreatitis in dogs.

     
    crap.
     
    Well, it's only for a week.  It's just to get her started.  YAY!
    Something new for me to be paranoid about![:D]
    • Gold Top Dog
     I didn't know fatty meat could cause pancreatitis until I learned about it on this forum; loveukaykay lost a dog from the disease after it had gotten into the fatty drippings left over from grilling ribs. About six weeks ago, someone else posted  that the vet said their dog had gotten pancreatitis from being fed some roast pork.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, I'm feeding her 73% lean ground burger.
    I know that's not great, but I'm trying it for now.
    I'll be done with the fatty stuff after this week.
    • Gold Top Dog
    you can try dehydrated raw. We fed that to Knox at about 5 months because he doesn't take to grains, and what we thought was demodectic mange was fur loss from allergies. We didn't have the money at the time (now he's on whole prey model raw) so we fed him the Honest Kitchen.

    [linkhttp://www.thehonestkitchen.com/]http://www.thehonestkitchen.com[/link]

    We fed him Embark because that doesn't have any grains. It's easier to mix bits of raw meat with feed, as it's a bit liquidy, but still firm when you add water. I tihnk one bucket makes about ten pounds? I'm not sure, but it makes alot! One cup of dry food mixed with 1 3/4 water makes enough food to feed a dober.


    Haleigh
    • Gold Top Dog
    The myth regarding it taking kibble and raw meat different amount of times to pass through the digestive system has been debunked.  It's a myth.
     
    You can feed kibble/RAW in the same meal w/o problem.
     
    I always trim as much fat, as humanly possible from my RAW, but I always did it more for the fact that Missy is overweight and it can cause diarhea, good to know about the pancreatis.  So sad, but really good to know. 
     
    Thanks :)