Real hunt work

proofpup

Not the set-up, fake hunting or set-up herding course (they are so easy comapred to real life work)

Wow...that is harsh.

Truley

proofpup

Not the set-up, fake hunting or set-up herding course (they are so easy comapred to real life work)

Wow...that is harsh.

Yeah.. Just a wee bit. 

I own a JRT and no I don't use her for hunting rats since my other dog does just fine with that. Sandy is a certified therapy dog, an up coming agility star and she does herding for fun.  

Maze, my BC/Black lab used to do agility (bad heart), does therapy, Rally O and she herds flocks of birds in the park. She uses her instincts to do this. She has no formal training in this. 

Just because something is set up to be a trial does not mean that it's fake.  A lot of the people in herding trials work their dogs on farms as well. So that may be why the smaller herds seem easy.  Example: My next dog will be an Australian Kelpie from pure working lines. The breeder competes with her dogs and she works with them on horses and cattle as well as sheep. 

My dogs pull me on skiis. They will also pull kids on a sleigh. But since its not a real dogsled, I suppose its fake. And since Skijorring isn't taking medicine to remote communities, I guess that sport is fake too. And since Karen's dogs just take people for rides for fun, those are probably fake sled dogs too. Oh, and since Becca's only got a small flock of sheep, her sheepdogs must be fake too, and her LGD's are just those decoration dogs now. Fake. The whole lot.

And while Julie's dogs are capable of finding missing persons, most of the time its just FAKE stuff. Lies and all of her Schutzhund training...fake fake fake. And all of our Therapy dogs on the board, well gee...dogs aren't bred for that. Must be fake. What on earth is this board based on?

Ya, if you can't tell, I'm offended for all the people on this board that have put hours upon hours of time into training their dogs to do jobs, to be called Fake.

2/3 of my dog are worked daily, and extensively, in what they were bred to do, and they excell at it. They were bred for the highest calling of any dog, to be a companion to a human. They do so, with gusto, and not only to me, but to my coworkers, clients, people in the community, in nursing homes, at dog shows, at restaurants, out shopping, etc etc. One of the dogs is still young, and works 8-12 hours a day, away from home. The other is older, but still gets in 2-3 days a week of real, solid work.

How often do you work your dogs?

I got the vibe that the OP just had bad wording and didn't mean to offend anyone , could be wrong though!

LoL wow wee sometimes I forget some people are more sensitive than I am. Nope not stupid and not trying to offend. I think its more rough to out right try to say im stupid but I could be reading that wrong too!

Im sorry to offend everyone who puts alot of time into trainig thier dogs for trails, like i said my "fake" show things are flyball and agility and I ENJOY them and put ALOT of time into traning them for it. So like I said Apologies.

Back to my thread tho, I think thats awesome so many of you are into dog activities! My dogs go out and do removals randomly, its when someone calls for one. We have had 2 last week. I condition my dogs everyday, If they cant go with me I dont go. Besides work that is. Right now im giving them time to digest thier food then everyone is going to run for 15 minutes each on my bike with me and after that ill pick one of the older two to accompony me on a 3 mile bike ride to my friends.

Thanks for the info on the elkhounds, the hunting i do is legal here but i believe it is illegal in the UK.

If im on my periode, sick or plain lazy they get a 15 minute walk each or an hour to run loose on land. Thank BlackLabbie for reading into my posts correctly!!! I didnt realize i came off so harsh as to make people respond rudely!

What I meant by  my wording "fake" was activites that dont serve a must. Like fun things such as running down a tube and barking at a rat, or trails where they move sheep to compete.

By "real" I  meant removing a coon for someone who has it under thier trailer ripping out insulation and costing them money. In sheep hearding I mean bringing in 300 sheep to be wormed and sheared.

I love this board and been on it for many years, I didnt post often because since I do and think differently  than most I feared I would get reemed or looked down on. Which proved to be right but I also noticed some seem to like me also. Which makes me want to post to keep conversation with them.

15 minutes each? Wow, my dogs are lazy all summer long, but they demand more exercise than that. Since your dogs are working dogs, I would think they'd need more than 15 minutes. Especially one that could take out a badger bigger than it. I mean jeez, badgers are mean buggers! Unless those Ozzie Badgers are much more tame than the ones around here.

And lets face it. What you meant by Fake was people that don't do the amazing things you supposedly do with your dogs, when you're not on your periode, or just plain lazy.

Like I said I didnt mean to offend. Im bad with my wording, spelling and grammer. Not afraid to admit that.

We dont remove badger, my dogs havent even seen a badger. The conditioning I do works well for them, they are in great condition and go for many hours running and swimming. I see that your angry but im not sure why, I love dog activities and such. I dont look down on people who do them, especially because I do them too. Even did conformation in 4-H.

ETA- I dont know it all, Im not under the assumtion i do. If i knew it all I wouldnt have joined this forum to look for information and others views

My dog is doing his Protection Alert test on Saturday.  We do a LOT of things (tracking, obedience, protection....multiple types of each of the aforementioned, agility, herding, dock diving), but the PA is really the closest "real world" application of our training.  He is trained in bitework for SchH and later will be for SDA but he is not a "personal protection dog".  A PPD is too much of a liability, not b/c the dog is unstable but b/c of the training (training a dog to bite passive people) and getting insurance, rentals, etc.  The PA means the dog is trained only to "alert" (show aggression on command, regardless of whether a person is passive or active), be under control, instantly turn off and recall back to the handler, etc.  I would never send or command my dog to bite someone other than sport training, but the PA test does have "real world" use for me as a young woman.

Other than that, there are no aspects of my lifestyle where a dog would be necessary for my livelihood, and that's basically how I define "work".  I would love to do SAR (I would choose HRD) but I can't make that commitment right now, SAR is not something you can dabble in for fun, you and the dog have to be ALL in.

proofpup

What I meant by  my wording "fake" was activities that dont serve a must. Like fun things such as running down a tube and barking at a rat, or trails where they move sheep to compete.

Your still demeaning some other dog owners purpose. Not all dogs are working dogs. Just because they don't do anything that serves a must...which is another poor choice word IMO.....does not make them any less. And that is what your saying, their dogs are less, because they don't do what you feel is something important.

proofpup

By "real" I  meant removing a coon for someone who has it under their trailer ripping out insulation and costing them money. In sheep herding I mean bringing in 300 sheep to be wormed and sheared.

I can trap a coon. I  don't need a dog to do it.  Why risk a dog with possible injuries and death, not to mention rabies?  Raccoons are vicious nasty fighters, IMO, my dog is NOT worth the risk. And moving 1 sheep is just as important to the owner of that 1 sheep as it is to the one who has 300.

I believe in working dogs, but this is not the dark ages, we really don't need dogs to hunt and take down animals anymore. Nor do I believe in having an elevated sense of importance via my dogs.

proofpup

I love this board and been on it for many years, I didnt post often because since I do and think differently  than most I feared I would get reamed or looked down on. Which proved to be right but I also noticed some seem to like me also. Which makes me want to post to keep conversation with them.

The problem here is that your looking down on other people and their dogs because they don't do what yours do, or that their status in the working community is unworthy. You demeaned and belittled what brings others joy. Maybe you should walk in their shoes, and do what they do, before you do so again.

Oh, and btw.....15min walk? My dog, who does nothing but love me and bury bones in my couch, would dismantle my house if he only go a 15 Min walk. He is a herding breed, and he has needs, I try to meet those needs in a city setting and seem to be doing OK.

Thanks for the info and response!!

I would love to someday get into protection but I love dobermans and would want one of them.

Do you see many dobes in there or is it mainly shepards? Would I do well with a dobe or if i wanted to get serious should I look into other breeds??

I realize your set on my choice of words and I now see that they were a bad choice here. To assume I look down on others for what they do with thier dogs is wrong. I think its okay if all you do is walk your dog around the block then hug it and call it a day. Seems like your being much more judging in how I condition my own. It works for us and they are in the shape I need them to be in and happy guys too.

They usually get way more than 15 mins, that was my minimum but you seem to be very latched to only that.