Callie I need your advice!!!

Doesn't look like scabies to me, sorry! Looks more like an allergy, or possibly a staf infection. Casey used to get regular staf infections, we cleared it up with chlorehexdine shampoo. I change his bedding frequently, and he gets weekly medicated baths. We did twice a week for a month to clear up the infection.

Lyme dip cures ringworm, which it could be - but really doesn't look like it to me.

There isn't ivermectin in interpector (why it's 'safer' for herding dogs) so giving that really wont do a thing for her. Although, it's pretty safe if you need to give it early for some reason (vacation or whatnot). Ivermectin can be dangerous, I would not give it unless you have the correct amount dosed out by a vet. Too much of straight ivermectin can be dangerous. Plus it is usually a lot more effective if it's injected, versus ingested.

I was also thinking maybe just wash the bedding in her crate to see if that helps, maybe something on that is irritating her since she's mostly scratching in the crate. 

She has no bedding in her crate. She tears anything I put in there up.

I will be taking her to the vet Friday to see what they say and let you all know. Thanks so much for all the help.

Willowchow I wiped her areas clean and put anti itch stuff on them. She is being kept out of her crate and I am watching her like a hawk to make sure she doesnt bother the places. Friday hurry up!!! 

erica1989

Lyme dip cures ringworm, which it could be - but really doesn't look like it to me.

They also use Lyme dip for sarcops (it's not an organophosphate so it's better than the old Paramite dip), but it takes several weeks to clear.

Interceptor is milbemycin, and yes it's probably dosed strong enough to kill sarcops but you'd have to give it at least weekly to accomplish it.  It is safer and can be used by herding breeds, but ivermectin is actually pretty safe when dosed properly, but the dose range is *enormous* depending on what parasite you are trying to kill.

HeartGuard has ivermectin, but the dose is miniscule and far far too small to be effective on sarcops.

Ivermectin dosed orally ranges from the tiny dose given for heartworm microfilaria (to kill them once a money) to the girnormous dose given that is almost 200 times the dose for heartworm but given daily for demodectic mange.  The dose for sarcops is quite a bit higher than the dose for heartworm but a fraction of what's given for demodex.  I don't like to post the amounts of ivermectin simply because there ARE a ton of cautions that need to go along with it. 

Bottom line, to give some cautionary wisdom to lurkers -- most folks don't even think about how an oral pesticide can go in the dog's body and 'kill' the parasites and yet not kill the dog!  In the case of ivermectin, it crosses the semi-permeable brain membrane of the parasite and so totally disrupts their nervous system that it kills them.

Therelin lies the caution for herders (and a few other assorted breeds) -- there is something about some herders that allows the ivermectin to cross the semi-permeable brain membrane of the DOG.  Literally causing the same trauma to the dog as the parasite. 

It's genetically linked -- very closely tied to various herding breeds.  I know Becca uses it on her herders, but I know my Foxy (the MOstlie Sheltie) was EXTREMELY sensitive to ivermectin and couldn't use it.

But for most breeds it is actually pretty safe, particularly when you are dealing with stuff like wildlife sarcops (it will kill the sarcops trying to feed on the body today, and end the problem pretty fast because they aren't usually successful trying to breed on the dog). 

Sarcops are very difficult to diagnose.  Typically a vet will just treat for it if they suspect it.  Rarely do you find them on a slide because they are just plain too fast to be 'caught' on a slide.

Ivermectin tends to work best on blood-feasting parasites.  Most of the success vets get with it in the case of demodex is simply because a side effect of it, when used long term, is a pseudo-immune boost (hence the ginormous doses they give). 

By all means go to the vet.  But I would SUGGEST talking to the vet about the possibility of wildlife sarcops.  The fact that the breakouts follow interrment in a crate (after the dog has gone outside and then laid down without much to do would be a perfect set up for wildlife sarcops to drive the dog nuts. 

Wildlife sarcops are quite different than normal dog sarcops because they don't tend to successfully breed in dog skin.  They make the dog miserable as often as the dog gets into them outside but then they jump off after finding the dog unsuitable as a breeding host.  But that also makes them a p.i.t.a. to diagnose.

we treat scabies with ivermectin injections. once, and then again in two week. that seems so much more simple than doing lyme dip baths for 6 some weeks, and the smell is horrible. I've seen plenty of scabies on slides, creepy, creepy looking little things. makes you feel SO itchy.

let us know what the vet says.

I'm certainly not an expert, but that's exactly how my boy, Drake, started his allergy drama. He looked exactly like that and we had NO clue what it could be. Turned out he was allergic to corn and wheat. Now, keep in mind he had been eating a food with corn and wheat in it for nearly 2 years, with NO change in diet before the first break out. Now he's allergic to everything, but that's how it started

I hope your Lillie feels better very soon and I'll be thinking of her!