Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question????

In an effort to return to the original question......

I'm not sure that we do JUDGE people who ask the questions, but we do try to make sure that they are very well informed and that they know darned good and well that this is not something to enter into lightly.

Yes, a lot of folks luck out with their accidental litters and there are no problems.  We don't hear so much about the still born pups, the pups that fight to live for a few days and then give up the fight, the pups who have serious genetic problems, those who struggle with life on a daily basis for the rest of their lives.  Bottom line is, that even the most carefully planned litters can have problems.

I want folks to KNOW what they are getting into.  I want them to completely understand that this little endeavor might not end so happily.  I want to convey the heartbreak of holding a perfectly formed, full term, stillborn pup in their hands, of trying desparately to breath life into that tiny body and failing.  I want them to understand how it feels to get up every two hours around the clock to feed a newborn only to have it die three or four days into life.

I want people to totally know that bitches can and DO die in whelp, that sometimes each and every pup will die because one is too large, gets stuck in the birth canal and no one can be born.  I want them to know that a retained placenta can slowly poision the momma, causing her to pass tainted milk to her pups and killing them all.

Letting nature takes its course?  Nature is pretty darned cruel.  Nature doesn't shed a tear about death.  PEOPLE do.

I think, MA, that the form of the question has a lot to do with the sort of responses one might expect.  Had you started a thread and said that you are considering breeding three or four years down the road and wanted to know what you need to do prepare yourself, educate yourself, know that your dog really should be bred, then you would find the answers to be far different than someone who asks what many of us consider to be dumb questions, really basic stuff that a person should know before they allow that first tie.

Would you still get many of the same answers?  Yep.  But the tone would be softer.

I'll reserve my comments on the advisability of breeding your pup to a DA male, because that wasn't the question you asked.

Additionally, breeding tends to be a hot topic for many of us because we DO work in shelters, in rescue, we foster, we rehab and try to find homes for the results of irresponsible breeding. 

I hope that answers your original question.  And I'll do my best to honestly, and dispassionately answer any others you might have.  Of course, it will be my opinion, based on my experience and background.

As to my comment that the thread has gone off topic and is ugly......well, that's my opinion also.

DPU

No I can not supply the number  

Can anyone reading this thread give statistics on the frequency of occurrence of the various whelping complications?

DPU

...nor would I offer incomplete information and let the OP assume the risk are 100% probability of happening, as you did. 

ROFL!!  100%??  You have to be joking.  Just what percentage of potential breeders do you think would jump to that silly conclusion?  I have never even had a person on this forum ask for a percentage on a whelping complication (except you).

The percentages don't really matter when preparing to whelp.  If one is going to breed, one needs to be as prepared as possible for all possible complications.

Frankly, I don't consider information "incomplete" and not worthy of presenting just because I can't provide statistics to go along with it.  Either you can emotionally handle the possibility of a particular complication or you can't.

Personally I couldn't breed because any chance at all of losing my pet would be too big a risk. 

Bravo!  ^ ^ ^ Excellent post.  ALthough I will point out that I personally didn't think the part about 100% risk was even worth you botehring to respond to, to be honest.

Anyways, what was this topic about again?  Aren't we all just replying to the same person, and what's the chance taht person is playing devils advocate, or just as likely, sitting at the keyboard snigering at how indignant we are all getting?  Just a thought... 

MOD'S NOTE 

Chuffy

Anyways, what was this topic about again?  Aren't we all just replying to the same person, and what's the chance taht person is playing devils advocate, or just as likely, sitting at the keyboard snigering at how indignant we are all getting?  Just a thought... 

Chuffy raises good points! Thanks Chuffy... let me quote the OP:

 

Yes, I understand its terrible that some people breed purely for money but this doesnt mean that everybody that breeds there dog is doing that. I think it's terrible how under a dog section here that you can't ask a breeding question without half the people answering thinking your a bad person. I DO agree that there are thousands of dogs out there in shelters that all need loving homes but if everybody went and got a shelter dog and no one ever bred another dog again then that would be the end to dogs in 20 yrs time and whose to say that the person asking a question here wouldnt make sure all there puppies go to loving permanent homes?

I think that everyone should be able to ask a question about breeding or new born puppies on here without being judged.

I'd like to hear other people's views on this as I know this won't go down well with everyone as we all have our own

And if anyone, including the OP would like to change topics, feel free to start a new thread.  Rules are not suspended on this or any other thread.

Thank you for your cooperation

Thanks DPU!! You have given great advice and have reasons behinf it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has he by gum?  I didnt even see any advice, good or bad.  All I saw was validation for your plans.  I hope that the words of an internet stranger (who is thorougly outnumbered by sensible folk) will not deter you from researching further and preparing yourself as advised by others, if you do decide to go through with this. 

I do think a lot of scare tatics tend to be used when this subject comes up - both to convince people not to breed and convince people to S/N. I have to @@ at some info passed around on the net to encourage S/N. Stating only the worst case scenerios as though they are the most likely thing to happen is using scare tatics.

 That said, if you breed any number of litters the chances are good you'll run into complications at some point. My first two litters were perfect and without any problems at all. The last litter and the current have been much harder. Some people have better luck and have had more litters than me with little to no problems. Some people have worse luck and had tons of problems with the first litter they bred. But I don't know anyone who has been breeding for years and has never had problems.

 Breeding can be very challenging, heartbreaking and hard when things are going wrong. Most local vets know little about care of pregnant bitches, care of neonatal puppies and what to do if something goes wrong which makes having a problem with pregnant bitches or young puppies much harder to deal with. Breeding can also be very rewarding when things are going right.

 I'd suggest anyone looking to get into breeding read as much as possible about breeding. Get books about breeding and read them, read up on your breed and genetic issues they can have, have the suggested health screening done, ask questions to other breeders of your breed and check out websites that offer breeding articles (www.breedingbetterdogs.com has a lot of good articles) and don't rush into it unprepared.

WOW, all common sense out the window because 1 out of many gave justification.

Be the change you wish to see in the world folks. We can start by putting selfishness aside. If your not breeding to better the breed as a whole then it can ONLY be for selfish reasons. Do I dare ask what breed we are planning on breeding?

 AL- it's a chihuahua.

Mechanical Angel

Possum is breeding quality. She is a blond chi and she has a GREAT!! personality. She is the sweetest thing I have ever met. I am thinking about  a black and tan chi who is 1 yr old right now and is my friends dog. He can be a bit agressive but only in play with other dogs. He LOVES!! humans. I will probably breed in 3 years.

LOL You've got to be kidding me? One of the most overbred and puppy milled breeds? And you want to breed for COLOR? To a aggressive mate? Really, where is the logic in that? Please enlighten me and tell me what is NOT selfish about that.

I can trace my dog back 7 DECADES, she is registered AND her grandparents are CH and I spayed her because there are too many homeless pets in the world. I could have made buckoo bucks off of her but my pride and honor wouldnt allow me to even consider it.

You've got to be joking with us right?

Your chi being blond has nothing to do with her breeding quality.  Breeding quality relies on about 5% worth of importance on color.

Temperament, health, and conformation are things you want to consider.  And breeding your bitch to a dog aggressive chi is beyond foolish.

Just because people deal with aggressive Chis doesn't make it right to breed them. 

I am so SICK and tired of meeting Chihuahuas and nearly being BITTEN!  The breed is a companion breed for cripes sakes!  It shouldn't be displaying ANY aggression! 

You want to breed?  Find a reputable Chi breeder with pups who aren't human aggressive OR dog aggressive and do it right.  Spay Possum.  

AgileGSD

I'd suggest anyone looking to get into breeding read as much as possible about breeding. Get books about breeding and read them, read up on your breed and genetic issues they can have, have the suggested health screening done, ask questions to other breeders of your breed and check out websites that offer breeding articles (www.breedingbetterdogs.com has a lot of good articles) and don't rush into it unprepared.

I can respect that advise for anyone who wants to breed and continue to breed or make breeding become a very involved part of their life.  The OP is at the beginning of her pup's life and she is thinking about breeding way in the future.  I am at the end of my pup's life and regret that I did not breed them.  I also have a sense that like myself, the OP is very responsible.  I have a feeling our strong emotions for the love of our pets are the same.  I can't speak for the OP, but the feeling to breed the dog, to witness the creation of the offspring for the pet you love so much is so strong that it can't be ignored, can't be strong armed away. 

My question to you is what do you think is an acceptable compromise to want to breed just one time.  At one end is full blown bigwig rules and reputable breeder's process versus the willy nilly putting two dogs together and let nature take it course.  For example, arbitrarily forgo one of the health test in exchange for increased responsibility.  Remember I have no experience in breeding.

To keep on topic and you include a judgement statement, let us know why you judged.

DPU

but the feeling to breed the dog, to witness the creation of the offspring for the pet you love so much is so strong that it can't be ignored, can't be strong armed away. 

To keep on topic and you include a judgement statement, let us know why you judged.

That emotional feeling is called selfishness, LOL, how else would you explain it? I think about what my dogs babies would look like A LOT, about cleansing and strengthening the lines of my breed, and wish so so so deeply that my breed wasnt so overpopulated that I could breed her. But then common sense comes trotting into my brain and I get over it. Strong Arm? LOL....its a emotional state your trying to get justifucation for to fullfill selfish needs. Good Gosh, I'd tell that person to get over themselves and their dog and get it fixed.

And why we judged? LOL, you cant bait us into defending ourselves when "judgement" was never our intention. Its called education of proper breeding practices, not judging. I swear DP if I ever needed a lawyer I'd send you to law school myself to have you represent me, LOL!

AuroraLove

That emotional feeling is called selfishness, LOL, how else would you explain it?

With respect all relationships fill the selfish need (and I am not laughing) and also includes selfless.  And selfishness, when connect to a relationship is a good thing, it is not one of the 7 deadly sins.  To me, now that my dogs are at the end of their life and we have had a dog's lifetime of selfish and selfless love that grew in time, it is a natural human feeling to somehow continue that life with a blood related offspring dog.  Thats how I explain my regret.