Why do people get judged when asking a breeding question????

DPU

BCMixs

  Yes, I'm judging.  I'm giving myself permission to judge because *I* am not contributing to the pet overpopulation problem by breeding my family pets, whether they be considered "worthy" or not by anyone on the planet.  Too many are dying because of the practice and I will not participate or encourage perpetuating it.

Sincerely yours,

The Judgmental Elitist
 

If you are so concerned and willing to aggressively impose your will on the innocent, then how many of "dying because of the practice" are in your home as fosters.  It is not too much of a leap to think that the elitist view is the fate of these dogs should be PTS.
 

That would be 4 living here as permanent family members.  As I've addressed your questions in the past regarding fostering, I am at my limit for dogs in my county and cannot foster without obtaining a kennel license.  I also do not feel I could do it at this point because I'd get too attached to let them go.  SO.  I volunteer at a kill shelter where I get attached anyway and get my heart broken when I hear about "The List" or see "Nature" go wrong and innocent dogs die because "Nature" didn't work out quite as the powers that be intended.  Since I can't foster, I not only volunteer, I donate alot of money to that shelter and rescue groups.

I don't know where you made the jump that "not fit to be bred" = "should be put to sleep" not a single person in this thread said that but you.  None of my animals should be bred but they also shouldn't be put to sleep.  Should they not have been born?  Yep.  Miss Jackie contributed to the unwanted stray cat population in my neighborhood to the tune of ~21 kittens before I got her, so her birth contributed to at least 2 dead cats on the side of the road and her stray offspring continuing to mate.  Woobie was the result of a feral female giving birth under an abandoned house, if that dog had been spayed and he hadn't been born, that would be three less homeless puppies hoping for a home before being put on "The List".  Milo, same story, litter of kittens under a house, had the mom been spayed, no kittens.  Indie was a purposely bred result of working dogs where the breeder "made sure they all went to good homes".  Really?  Do good homes dump dogs at the shelter without contacting the breeder first?   They wouldn't have been born if people were more responsible about caring for their animals, spaying and neutering, and "selling" to owners who care more about the dog than to dump it at a shelter when it becomes inconvenient.  But because they were born and crossed my path, they have a home.  Too many others don't get that lucky.  They die in gas chambers at shelters because there aren't enough homes for them all, even the purebred, non-mutt ones.

BTW, if you go back and look at the OT, the question was WHY DO PEOPLE GET JUDGED WHEN ASKING A BREEDING QUESTION.  I guess you took it upon yourself to decide the OP didn't want or need honest answers to even that most elementary and simple question when you decided to hijack the thread and force your own agenda into the discussion. 

Laurelin_429

I'm shocked someone in rescue has these views. I know that spending my time in shelters makes me wish for more responsible breeders and less indiscriminate breeding. But what do I know? I'm an 'elitist'. ;)

Yes, you are and you can change.  Instead of judging and criticizing, find a family who plans on breeding their pet and give them support.  Help them place the dogs.  I see nothing wrong with breeding the family pet if that is what the family want to do and take responsibility for the litter.  It is a great experience but a lot of work and a lot of worry and most likely won't be repeated. 

Your views don't work to change anything and may just encourage what you want avoided.  If you are true to your beliefs then take a different approach and get involved.

DPU

Laurelin_429

I'm shocked someone in rescue has these views. I know that spending my time in shelters makes me wish for more responsible breeders and less indiscriminate breeding. But what do I know? I'm an 'elitist'. ;)

Yes, you are and you can change.  Instead of judging and criticizing, find a family who plans on breeding their pet and give them support.  Help them place the dogs.  I see nothing wrong with breeding the family pet if that is what the family want to do and take responsibility for the litter.  It is a great experience but a lot of work and a lot of worry and most likely won't be repeated. 

Your views don't work to change anything and may just encourage what you want avoided.  If you are true to your beliefs then take a different approach and get involved.

 If I find a family planning on breeding their pets for no reason other than to breed more pets, I refuse to support them.  Period. 

 
My dog was from a family 'wanting to breed their wonderful pets' and guess what?  she has severe joint problems, a heart defect, and an unpredictable temperament on top of not looking like her breed...  We bought her on a impulse and thank god she's had someone willing to pay a substantial amount to keep her alive.  Thankfully she didn't have an owner that decided to throw her out after she snapped at them and bit them. 

 We don't NEED any more of these dogs being produced. 

 
How on Earth can you work in rescue and not see this?  None of the dogs we get in local shelters are well bred.  We get full LITTERS people can't place.  It's so sad to see.  

 
The only responsible breeding is of sound, healthy animals with correct temperaments, period.

 You want to experience the 'miracle of life' then start rescuing.  We almost always have moms to be or young litters that need fostering. 

If I can convince one person to breed right or to not breed at all, I've made a small dent but a dent nonetheless in the amount of dogs out there. 

 
No, I'm not elitist.  Not remotely.  YOU are the one judging everyone else for caring. 

 

BCMixs

BTW, if you go back and look at the OT, the question was WHY DO PEOPLE GET JUDGED WHEN ASKING A BREEDING QUESTION. 

And if you got back and read the early posts of this thread, no one deserves such an answer.  If I remember the word dumb was used.  Geez!

DPU

Laurelin_429

I'm shocked someone in rescue has these views. I know that spending my time in shelters makes me wish for more responsible breeders and less indiscriminate breeding. But what do I know? I'm an 'elitist'. ;)

Your views don't work to change anything and may just encourage what you want avoided.  If you are true to your beliefs then take a different approach and get involved.

Sorry, but that is not at all true.  I have several friends that have discussed breeding their dogs and i have been able to convince them otherwise.  There was no need to be nasty at all.  Just a simple discussion of all the things that can go wrong--of how much of a pain it is to keep an intact animal--of how hard it is to find homes for the pups.  This does not need to be preachy at all.  Many have been educated just by seeing how much time, money, and absolute heartache has gone into Jack's elbow dysplasia.  Many people don't realize how much vet bills can cost.  Jack's situation actually convinced my father not to get a dog (which is a good thing, because my dad should *not* have a dog). 

Heck, one of my friend's situations is a living example of what can happen when someone breeds dogs with bad temperaments (mom's a biter and dad has "issues" with children) and does not carefully screen the home they are going to.  Unfortunately, the dog has paid for the ignorance of those that brought him into this world and those that failed to raise him with his life.  All I have to do is tell his story and generally no further discussion is necessary.

At the barn we don't generally have to have responsible breeding discussions because we have seen the living examples of breedings that should never have occurred--horses with screws loose, horses with crappy temperaments, etc.  Going to a low end auction generally gives you an all too clear look at the other end of people breeding animals because they have the correct plumbing.  Few things are as tragic as seeing young, healthy horses with their whole lives ahead of them being chased into semis with sticks, only to spend their last few days in what can only be described as a living Hell.  It is truly a chilling experience that has changed my views on breeding forever.  

You know, all 3 of my cats are rescues, so is my rabbit. I would have rescued a German shepherd, but we could not meet the criteria due to some hard ball wants of a few rescues, fencing, renting being the primary hot spots. I am frankly, turned off by rescues.

I am disheartened that someone who does fostering, takes in troubled animals, rehabilitates them and actually has a hard time getting homes for some, would actually support breeding a pet for the sake of breeding "just because they want to".

Makes it very hard to respect or admire what you do.

Truley

You know, all 3 of my cats are rescues, so is my rabbit. I would have rescued a German shepherd, but we could not meet the criteria due to some hard ball wants of a few rescues, fencing, renting being the primary hot spots. I am frankly, turned off by rescues.

I initially had that experience when trying to adopt from the local SPCA, so we went to a breeder instead.  In hindsight, I wish I'd just continued to look at different rescues, but I dearly loved the purebred dog we got back then.  If you want to rescue a GSD, please continue to look and don't let the hardball standards turn you off.  Some rescues really are run by great people who are not quite so zealous about set standards but look at the potential owners as people rather than a list of checks. 

Truley

Makes it very hard to respect or admire what you do.

Sure I can believe that because it is in line with elitest non caring view that without the supports of volunteers like myself, these dog would be PTS and the only legitimate family dog should be one produced by a "responsible" breeder.  See how easy it is to make that leap.

You know I am so tired of people saying they want to help rescues and fosters and then they come up with all these excuses not to.  If you really want to, you will find a way and your only limitation is the accomodations and resources that will have to be substituted.

DPU

All breeding is a crapshoot.  I am not convinced that those that claim to be experience breeders, educated breeders, and have been mentor....are capable of making significant changes to the better of the dog.  Their capabilities may be only to the extent of color.  Good grief, look at the postings on this forum and see the behavior and medical problems owners are having with these "responsibly" bred dogs.

I'm sorry, but this is such a load of.... geez.

 I still stand by my statement that there *ARE* dumb questions.
 

AgileGSD

It is also a misconception that breeding a large male to a small bitch will result in puppies too large for the bitch to give birth to. The puppy's size at birth is controlled by the size of the mother, but the size at maturity can be controlled by either parent. I have known lots of dogs (purebreds and mixes) who were MUCH larger than their mothers at maturity but at birth were normal sized puppies.

Puppies in the same litter often vary considerably in size.  I have looked and looked, but I haven't found anything on-line discussing

• what does cause these variations      or
• what mechanism could allow the mother to control the size of the pup.

Anyone have anything?

DPU-I don't know if it's me missing something or what here?

So, then since you feel that "responsible breeders" arent' really breeding for the right reasons that it's OK for people with no experience whatso ever to breed too??  Are they helping the Dane's heart get stronger?  Hey, maybe the so called good breeders aren't but I can tell you for sure the ones doing it with no experience at all aren't. And maybe they don't always improve the breed but they don't end up making things worse because they can see when they don't have something worth breeding in front of them. 

This is the second time this week on this forum somebody showed me that they just enable with their "helping". 

Has anyone noticed how far off topic this thread has wandered?  Follow the yellow brick road.......

I am for responsible breeding...but, let's face it even the so called pros know how to muck up a breed.....it's a shame how the GSD has been bred and shown, that program has made a serious left turn and churned out GSDs with horrible angulation .........if that is a perfect example....I'll pass......

I agree, this topic is off, way off. So, I will post my next repsonse in another thread.