my girl's whelp

    • Gold Top Dog

    I'm glad you talked with another vet.  While an ounce or two doesn't sound like much to US, we aren't itty bitty like SHE is.  I really tiny woman is going to have a whole heck of a lot harder time delivering a nine or ten pound baby than a woman of average size will, typically.  In dog terms, ounces are like POUNDS in babies.  Please be sure to get those xrays done.....it literally could be the difference between life and death for her.

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    whts- puppies are the first out where i am, before I went to a breeder, I searched high and low for a puppy at a shelter, but all the shelter workers told me that those were hard to come by- puppies were usually adopted out within weeks of coming to the shelter.  I almost ended up adopting a beautiful 9 y.o sheltie mix at a no kill shelter I went to, especially when they told me she had been there for 5 years, of course, then they told me why she had been there for five years- shes kind to everyone, but somehow senses when someone wants to take her home, and bites them before they get a chance. The only people she had bitten were people who wanted to adopt her.

    Anyway, I started making phone calls to breeders, and one lady I talked to who I found on the AKC website, and has over 20 years experience with all 3 sizes of poodles,she told me that size could be a concern, but it shouldn't be too bad because the difference is four pounds, and she had a toy bitch with the sire being a mini, and she did have a little trouble, the bitch took an hour to get the pup out, but that was all. She said to give each pup an hour, if it goes more then that to call up my vet.  

    Anyway, When I talk to vets and breeders, I feel at ease, and prepared, and when I come on here, I become a nervous reck. If a problem should arise, I would much prefer to have a calm cool head, and that is difficult to do with all these condescending pessimistic posts, and quite honestly, I know everyone here had good intentions, but I simply cannot value the post of people online over the opinions I'm getting from vets and experienced breeders.

    The on edge, frantic, and panicked feeling I get when I come here, vs. the calm, collected, and sense of preperation I get when I talk to breeders and vets, tells me that I need to continue talking to vets and breeders about any possible problems and not the members of this website.

    When the day comes, if a problem should arise, basing my information off of vets and breeders, I feel confident that I would be able to help out my girl, and basing it off of what Im reading here, I'd feel too inadequet to even try anything, with fear of making it worse.

    This website isn't helping me at all, and if a moderater could come back and close, or preferibly delete this thread that isn't leading anywhere, i'd be greatful.

    My girl is seven weeks pregnant today,  

     My plan is not to visit this thread anymore, and instead to call up a few more breeders (perhaps the breeder of my pups) and keep all my information in a notebook that I'll keep by her whelping box.

    What I need now is to be prepared, and feel confident in my ability to assist in the whelp, if needed, not the sense of hopelessness that this thread is bringing me. I realized today, that after reading through these four pages, I started to see my girl as doomed, and I found it difficult to let go of her, feeling as though in another weeek or two, she would be gone.

    This thread made me feel like the health of my bitch was a lost cause, and I realize now that this is a ridiculous way to think.
    This place has done me a world of harm, and I will no longer let it effect the way in which I will care for my girl, whom is  so important in my life.

    If you are truly interested in the way the whelp turns out, then PM me, as I will no longer revisit this thread- and again, I'd be greatful if a moderator could lock or delete it.  

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    It's a little too late but please please please be as prepared as you can for everything and be ready for heart break. I whelped a little of puppies for the shelter I work at --we brought her in from a high kill shelter in LA where she was going to be euth'd and we knew we could place the puppies--

    I knew it would be work, and messy and hard but I also thought it would be fun. I knew that there were risks involved but I just hoped for the best.

     I watched six puppies die one by one by one. It was horrible. Only one survived. For a you to go to private vet it would be in the thousands. My relationship changed with the dog after that. I had loved and cared for her and now I couldn't look at her because it had been SO hard to hold those puppies in my hands as the needle was slipped in their little bellies to release them from the pain.

    It's just not worth it. It's just not. Please don't do it again. Seriously.  


     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Uh....there are MANY experienced breeders on this forum.....and many of whom have answered your thread. 

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    I wish you luck with the litter and I do hope that momma and the pups survive.

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    I've decided to come and announce Sasha's whelp.

     For the past week, I have gotten used to sleeping lightly and waking at any sign of restlessness from sasha. So, I was wide awake 3am last night when I noticed how antsy she had become. I offered her food, and she didn't take it. I noticed that I hadn't seen her eat since the day before. she was laying stretched out, when normally she curls up. I knew they were coming, so I gathered my whelping kit (four pages of notes on what to do in an emergency, four pairs of gloves, bulb syringe, string, scissiors, and a dropper)  I tried to get her in her whelping box, but she insisted on staying on my bed. I took her into the kitchen and got batteries for my camera, I awoke my parents and told them the puppies where coming soon, and I'd wake them if something happened. However, nothing did, so I fell back asleep.

     I woke up at 8am, sasha was asleep curled up, but she kept shaking every few seconds. I got up, and took her into the kitchen. I gave her some yogurt to boost her calcium (plain), but she didn't want much. my dogs usually go out as soon as I get up, and they both were asking to go, so I let them out, sasha looked as if she was going to poo, when I saw the sac. I brought her in, and called my dad. He held Shadow, while I held Sasha, she didn't want to lay down or leave my side. I sat, and positioned her paws on my legs, so she wouldn't sit on the pup. About 15 minutes passed, and there wasn't much progress, however she wasn't pushing, she was only crying. I called my aunt, who was asleep. when she came in the door, sasha began barking, and with that pressure the pup came right out.

    It was a breech, but there were no complications due to that. I waited, and sasha licked the sac, but didn't tear it. I called up my friend (who is a vet tech) and she was on her way. I didn't want to wait any longer, and I tore the sac myself. I waited until my friend came by, and sasha hadn't cut the cord, we called the vet because my friend wanted to double check before we cut it- they told us to tie it off and cut it, so we did.

    Our black boy came at 8:43.

    About an hour later, I called my mom and gave her the news, my aunt had left because she took her meds and needed to eat, after i hung up, I glanced over, and another pup was all out but the head. We had to open the sac and cut the cord as well. It was 9:53, and we had a white boy, with him came a placenta, and sasha was very interested in the placenta, and didn't pay too much attention to the pup, so he sliced his cord vertically, and we tied and cut it.A few minutes later, he hemoraged, but my friend got it under control right away. We thought it was all done, but not too much later, at 10:15 we looked over, and another white one was out, we let sasha do her job, and she opened the sac, but again we had to cut the cord, because as sasha went for it, she was going to get it far too close. The girl was so tiny, and so skinny. She was cold and gray, and we had to work on her a bit, but shes doing fine now. Sasha's maternal insticts are strong, and shes doing a great job. we bought some puppy forumula to supplement whoever isn't getting enough, especially that girl, and were also making sure to arange them so she has acess to a teet. Her color came back, and everyone is doing great.

     

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    DellaBella
    I've decided to come and announce Sasha's whelp.

    I'm really glad to hear that everything went reasonably well!  If I counted right, that was 4 pups - right?  Did you have to sling that last little girl?

    What were their birth weights? 

    Have you wormed Sasha yet?  That needs to be done ASAP after the birth to minimize the number of roundworms that the pups get via the milk.

    What product do you plan to use to worm the pups (2,4,6,8,10 weeks)?  Sasha also needs to be wormed each time that the pups are. 

     for updating us.  I hope you can post pictures soon.  We love  puppy pictures!!

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    there are 3 pups - 2 boys, 1 girl.

    I didn't have to sling her, I had a bulb syringe on hand, and I sucked fluid out of the cream boy, but the other two had no fluid.

    I haven't wormed yet, and I am switching vets (not the best time, but my regular vet moved to florida...stupid vet, moving across the country!) so I don't know which wormer my new vet will want me to use.

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    DellaBella
    I don't know which wormer my new vet will want me to use.

    Safe-Guard (same as Panacur, but OTC) is one of the oldest and safest wormers.  It will kill 4 worms - roundworms, hookworms (little vampires), whipworms, and Taenia tapeworms.

    I suggest that you go ahead and get the Safe-Guard granules for Sasha this time and then talk to your vet about what to use for her and the pups in the future.  Look for it at a pet or feed store.

    Some roundworms encyst in a dog's tissues and become active in response to a dam's hormones.  The worms then enter the pups in vitro and via the mother's milk.  Your pups are too tiny to handle very many worms.  That is the reason for the rush in worming Sasha.

    This post describes how to use liquid Safe-Guard for pups and dogs.   The dosage is 1 ml (which contains 100 mg of Fenbendazole) per 5 lbs of bodyweight.

    Example wormers for pups (the names are links) for just roundworms and hookworms:

    Nemex-2 Wormer - pyrantel pamoate - Liquid Daily dosage: One ml per 2 lbs of body weight or 1 teaspoon (5 ml) per each 10 lbs. of body weight.

    Drs Foster & Smith ProWormer-2 - pyrantel pamoate - Liquid Daily dosage: One milliliter (1 cc) for each 2 lbs. of body weight or 1 full teaspoon (5 ml or cc) for each 10 lbs. of body weight.

    NOTE:  You will need to get syringes capable of measuring out the very small dosages that your pups will need. 

    0.03125 ml (or cc) per ounce of body weight for pyrantel pamoate

    0.0125 ml (or cc) per ounce of body weight for Safe-Gaurd

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    Glad to hear that everything went reasonably well.  Three pups.....you did count THREE placenta's, right?  If not, you could have a major problem.

    You'll want to keep a VERY close eye on the pup who was off color at birth and so skinny.  Typically,  a pup who isn't going to make it won't last longer than the first 48-72 hours, so those first few days are the ones I don't breath easily during.  I'd also strongly urge you to have the pups vet checked ASAP.  If you aren't absolutely certain there were three placentas, at the very least CALL an emergency vet.  A retained placenta can and will be deadly to momma, and normally to the pups because the toxicity will pass to them through her milk.

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    I counted two placentas- Didn't get one after puppy 1, one came right with puppy 2, and one came a while after puppy 3.

    The offices are closed until monday, and so I'm getting in touch with my friend (the vet tech one) so she can call one of the vets at her office to ask.

    I'm a bit uneasy about the runt right now- its hard for her to nurse, either the other pups are knocking her off, or sasha is. Sasha licks all her pups while they nurse, and unfortunately the runt is so tiny that when sasha goes to lick her, her licking is enough to pull the runt off the teet. I'm supplementing with formula, but right now she's not taking much formula at all either.

    Well, I have pictures :

    Baby #1: Black boy.

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1225.jpg

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1220.jpg

    Baby #2 Cream Boy :

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1227.jpg

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1229.jpg

    Baby #3 Cream Girl A.K.A the runt

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1230.jpg

    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/alilpinkpixie/100_1231.jpg

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    I very honestly have never seen fewer placentas than pups.  I've been very fortunate to never have whelped a litter bitch that retained a placenta, but each and every pup should have his very own.  I suppose it could be possible to share a placenta, IF the pups were born in the same sack, but I've never seen that happen either.   I did have a breeder friend who lost a bitch to a retained placenta, so please let us know what the vet says.

    Yes, she is very tiny.  Have you weighed the pups?  How many ounches smaller is she than the others?  You might need to physically hold her on the teat and protect her from being knocked off.  Normally when they clamp on, they clamp on like little blood suckers and its VERY hard to dislodge them.  So it sounds to me like she is very weak.  Momma licking them is very normal and a good sign that she knows how to take care of them, but I share your concerns about this little one.  When you attempt to feed her, do NOT hold her like you would a human baby.  Hold her so that she is on her tummy, as she would be at her momma.  And keep her VERY warm.

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    DellaBella
    I'm a bit uneasy about the runt right now- its hard for her to nurse

    She may be just to weak to nurse.  You may need to tube feed her to get her strength up.  Are you prepared to do that?

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    The pups are all precious.  Those pink little toes are so very tiny!