Bloody stool and vomit??

    • Gold Top Dog

    Bloody stool and vomit??

    Hi, Please help. My 2 year old toy poodle started to vomit yellow fluid, about 3-4 times in a day, 2 days ago. She also had a little diarrhea once, but poop a few times within the last few days. She also couldnt control her poop and pooped in her house overnight. Last night I found some blood in her stool. This morning I found a puddle of bright red blood on a white towel in her house, which seems like bloody liquidy vomit. She seems fine and active as usual. I walked her twice this morning and she just urinated. She didn't poop or vomit anymore since this morning. The vet office closes today. I plan to take her to the vet early tomorrow morning. In a mean time, does anyone has any idea what it might be? The only thing I can think of that might make her sick was that I fed her some pork liver 3 days ago, but it was in a small amount. Please help. Thanks.
    • Bronze

    It could be the pork liver or any number of other things.  Sometimes a digestive upset can lead to pancreatitis.  It's very good that she's not acting sick, but I think it's definitely a good idea to have her checked by the vet in the morning.

    In the meantime, make sure she stays hydrated and offer her very small amounts of very bland, low-fat foods (well-cooked white rice or plain oatmeal with some baby food chicken or turkey is good).  For a bigger dog I would recommend fasting until you can see the vet in the morning, but I'm not sure that's a good idea with such a small dog, since they often have issues with hypoglycemia if they go too long w/o eating.  Hopefully someone with toy dog experience will chime in.

    • Silver
    That is inflammation of the low down in the colon. the red fresh blood was the tell, also you may see mucus that looks like clear jelly. Take the dog to the vet but it is usually the wrong kind of food or spoiled food or over eating. The first time it happen to one of my dogs I saw the blood and panicked. I have a book that I think every dog owner should own its called Natural health for dogs and cats by Dr. Pitcairns . He says the most important thing is dont feed for 24 hours. Let the intestinal tract rest. Lots of fresh water and you can feed no sodium broth 3 or 4 times a day. The yellow fluid is bile it builds up in the stomach when it is upset.
    • Gold Top Dog

    Could be anything, honestly. Like Myra said - keep her hydrated and I would for SURE take her to the vet in the morning.

    Anytime blood is involved - a trip to the vet is never a bad idea.

    • Gold Top Dog
    thank you all for your responses. Another symptom came up today-she urinates frequently all over our apartment- and she usually doesnt do this. Took her out for walk again and she tried to poop but only little poo with lots of blood along. She still seems fine and active. I'm taking her to the vet early morning. Will keep all updated. Thanks!
    • Gold Top Dog

    Just chiming in to wish her well.  We'll keep her in out thoughts.

    • Gold Top Dog

     let us know how it goes at the vets office!

    • Gold Top Dog

    any update?

    • Gold Top Dog
    hi all, thank you so much for all your advices and input. I took her to the vet this morning and they did several tests, they all came back normal. The vet said it was most likely inflammation of the colon, and it could be due to bad food. My furry babe is totally normal all day today, no more blood or frequent peeing. The vet couldn't find anything wrong with her and just advised me to keep her hydrated and eat her food, not human food. Thank you again.
    • Silver
    Glad everything was OK.
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    I am so glad that she is doing so well, but the "not human food" comment from the vet bothers me.  It is gradually changing, but most current vets got the majority of their nutritional training from commercial dog food reps - not exactly an unbiased source of information.

    I favor a “human quality” raw meat/fish diet for dogs and your vet probably considers that “human food” even though we usually cook our meat/fish before consuming it.  Unless one feeds just whole prey or a commercially-prepared (read “expensive”) raw food, this type of canine diet requires a little study and some work, but it is no harder than a good human diet.  There is a large community of raw feeders that are happy to help a newbie. 

    Dogs are carnivores, not omnivores.  They have the teeth and the short digestive tract of a carnivore (which is the way the term in defined).  Some people claim that dogs have "evolved" into omnivores, but no one has ever been able to tell me just how they think a dog's digestive tract differs from that of a wolf.  That is because it doesn't!

    Meat/Fish/Bones
    Both dogs and humans eat meat/fish.  People need to cook the meat/fish to kill pathogens/parasites and to chemically change the meat/fish for easier digestion, but sometimes they take a chance and eat raw (like sushi).  Dogs do well on raw meat (with all chemicals intact) like their wolf cousins.  That is a species-appropriate diet for a healthy canine and produces small poops.  Canines in the wild do not cook their meals.  Wink

    Dogs have no digestive juices in their saliva.  The rest of their digestive tract has very strong digestive juices that can dissolve bone and can kill pathogens that would make humans very sick.  Most dogs constantly encounter pathogens which healthy dogs usually handle well without getting sick.  They lick their butts and eat stuff (bugs, dead/live prey, all sorts of poop, etc.) from the ground. 

    Raw bones can supply the calcium a dog needs and can keep its teeth very clean.  However, the structure of a bone is chemically changed by heat.  Such heated bones should not be given to dogs because they are prone to splintering and developing sharp points.

    Bones given to a dog should be chosen based on the size of the animal, its dental health, and the strength of its bite.  Many dog owners avoid the hard leg bones of large animals because they fear that their animal will break a tooth.  (Note:  Some dogs have to be taught to chew bones before swallowing.)

    Vegetation
    Both dogs and humans eat vegetation.  Humans are true omnivores and can properly digest both cooked and raw.  Dogs get very little nutrition out of raw vegetation.  Even much cooked vegetation goes right through their system undigested because their digestive tract is so short.  That yields large, smelly poops and can even result in a dog eating the poop (smells good to them!).  Try feeding a dog some raw carrot and then watch for orange poop!

    Some people claim that wolves get vegetation from the stomachs of their prey.  That vegetation is very bitter with digestive juices and no wolf would touch it. 

    The fact that dogs will voluntarily eat some vegetation (grasses, vegetables, fruits) does not make them omnivores.  Many dogs do like things that are sweet.  This is analogous to children eating candy - it can make them vomit, they don't get much (if any) nutrition out of it, and it is not a dietary requirement.

    Variety
    Both dogs and humans need variety in their diets to be sure of meeting all of their nutritional requirements.  Neither should eat the same food all the time - commercially prepared or not.  There is too much chance of leaving out a dietary need or of not getting the right balance of nutrients. 
     

    Lots of dogs have had health problems because their commercially prepared food was not "complete".  Dogs produce taurine, but for good health at least some dogs also need supplemental taurine in their diet.  Taurine is destroyed by cooking and until fairly recently the dietary need for it was recognized for cats, but not for dogs.  Who knows what else commercially prepared foods lack that at least some dogs may need.

    Dogs with Issues
    Like humans some dogs have problems (allergy, chemical sensitivity, digestion, etc.) with certain foods.  Like humans some dogs have weak immune systems and can not handle the pathogens that most members of their species handle easily.  These poor animals should get a diet that does not make them sick and which tries to supply all needed nutrients.

    That does not mean that all members of the species need to be on such a restricted diet.  Dogs don't all need to have a diet completely free of normally encountered pathogens anymore than all children need to be on a diabetic diet because some children are diabetic. 

    Things to remember
    (1)  The best diet is one that is tailored for the health and well-being of the individual animal.
    (2)  A good diet is one that is species-appropriate, but minus excessive pathogens and all parasites.
    (3)  A good diet is one that is varied (to get adequite nutrients).  For a carnivore that is different meats.  Variety also reduces the chance of allergies developing.
    (4)  Cooking chemically changes a food and can make that food less nutritionally complete. 
    (5)  Never feed cooked bones to carnivores.  
    (6)  Transition from one type of diet (kibble or raw) to another (kibble or raw) on a gradual basis.  This allows the digestive tract to make its normal diet-related adjustments.  In some ways this is analogous to feeding a starving human small amounts at first to allow his digestive tract to adjust. 

    ETA:  Editted to correct numbering above and to convince the system to let me put paragraph breaks where I wanted them.  Confused

    • Silver
    Vegetation Both dogs and humans eat vegetation. Humans are true omnivores and can properly digest both cooked and raw. Dogs get very little nutrition out of raw vegetation. Even much cooked vegetation goes right through their system undigested because their digestive tract is so short. That yields large, smelly poops and can even result in a dog eating the poop (smells good to them!). Try feeding a dog some raw carrot and then watch for orange poop!-------------------------I beg to differ but my dogs are vegetarians and they seem to digest their beans, steamed veggies and grains just fine and I dont see it in their poop. Which I clean up every day, and I must add the fact that it does not smell. I used to hate cleaning up after them when they ate commercial dog food it smelled so bad I gaged. That included the vegetarian type of dog food also. I dont know how that is possible but its true. My dogs do great they have great energy, great coats and clean teeth. With the state of the meat industry today I am surprised anyone is brave enough to keep eating it.
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    janet_rose
    Both dogs and humans eat vegetation. Humans are true omnivores and can properly digest both cooked and raw. Dogs get very little nutrition out of raw vegetation. Even much cooked vegetation goes right through their system undigested because their digestive tract is so short. That yields large, smelly poops and can even result in a dog eating the poop (smells good to them!). Try feeding a dog some raw carrot and then watch for orange poop! 


    Dawnben
    I beg to differ but my dogs are vegetarians and they seem to digest their beans, steamed veggies and grains just fine and I dont see it in their poop.  Which I clean up every day, and I must add the fact that it does not smell.
     
    It is the raw vegetation that you might actually be able to identify in their poop. 
     
    Dawnben
    I used to hate cleaning up after them when they ate commercial dog food it smelled so bad I gaged. That included the vegetarian type of dog food also. I dont know how that is possible but its true.
     
    In those commercial dog foods you were seeing exactly what I was talking about.  Types/amounts of vegetation that was not properly digested.
     
    Dawnben
    My dogs do great they have great energy, great coats and clean teeth.
     
    I am glad you seem to have found a home-cooked diet that works well for them and seems to be adequately digested.  Of course, I know nothing about the volume/frequency of their poops or how completely those poops decompose.  Dogs fed raw meat have small poops that dry up and disappear fairly quickly since the meat is almost completely digested.
     
    I wonder about any supplements you are giving.  Please read http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/vegetarian-diet/ to be sure that you are meeting all of your dog's needs. 
     
    That is sure not easy to do even on the best vegetarian diet!!  One needs to add the right amounts (and correct balance) of absorbable vitamins and minerals.  Some dogs (older animals and breeds with deficiencies) may require amino acid supplementation (like Taurine and L-Carnitine) for heart health.  A dog can have heart damage before the latter problem is detected. 
     
    Dawnben
    With the state of the meat industry today I am surprised anyone is brave enough to keep eating it.

    With the amount of genetically modified seeds, the nutrient-depleted farmland, plus all the pesticides and chemicals used in farming, I am surprised folks are brave enough to keep eating at all.   Wink  I f you think the meat industry has problems today, read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

    Please note that dogs are not omnivores simply because they can survive on a carefully prepared (and cooked) non-meat diet, plus the appropriate supplements.  That does not change the fact that they lack grinding teeth and have a short digestive tract - the traits of a carnivore.  It also does not change the fact that wild/homeless canines will not have good health if they can't find prey.  Plant material alone is not sufficient for those animals.

    A dog eating a variety of whole prey animals and fish will satisfy all of its nutrition needs.  No plant matter is required for a dog's good health. 

    Those feeding a raw meat diet to their dogs do have problems obtaining a sufficient variety of "whole" prey.  That means that these owners have to be sure that their animals get a proper balance of muscle meat, organ meat, and bone (or calcium substitute), as well as fish (or fish oil). 

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    Dawnben
    my dogs are vegetarians

    By the way, mickeyboo's vet wouldn't like your dog's diet at all.  It is "human food".  Wink

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    janet_rose

    Dawnben
    my dogs are vegetarians

    By the way, mickeyboo's vet wouldn't like your dog's diet at all.  It is "human food".  Wink

    Most vets dont know anything about nutrition. They get their information from the dog food companies that dont want your dog to eat human food because then how would they make any money. My dog is meat intolerant and did not do well on commercial vegetarian diet either I cooked for him as a last resort. The dog food companies want you to think your dog can not survive without their products. Dogs have lived and thrived on human food a lot longer that they have on pet food and I dont think anyone ever recalled table scraps. I cook a specific diet for my dogs to make sure it is balanced and give them vitamins and minerals to supplement any thing they might be missing like taurine that they cant get from veggies.