Need your best tips . . . . Deb W.

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    Deb I'd pull blood for a full thyroid panel...sent to MSU or someplace offical and serious. Beagles have an somewhat increasing incidence of low thyroid and the onset it often in adulthood/middle age and some of the symptoms fit. Might look into that.

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    rwbeagles
    Deb I'd pull blood for a full thyroid panel...sent to MSU or someplace offical and serious.

     

    Gina:  I'm so clueless that I don't even know what MSU is and do I just tell the vet to send the blood there??

     

    Deb W.

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    Just tell them you want the blood sent out for a FULL thyroid panel. Not all labs are created equal. Mentioning you want it sent to Dr Dodds/Hemopet or MSU...Michigan State U, just let's them know you mean a real serious look not the quickie lookie loo they do in house or even locally.

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    I think the dog sounds more intelligent than the vet. All of the symptoms sound like a food allergy. Did the vet mention this. Has that dog been on the same food for 4 years., or did you recently change the food? As far as the pills ,I would say they are all useless and probably making the dog sick to his stomach. I would look for a new vet. This vet does not sound like she looked for the real problem.
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    He's been on the same food since I got him at 12 weeks.  He doesn't seem to have a problem eating.  He'll eat anything I give him except when something has a pill in it.  Can dogs all of a sudden become allergic to their food??

     

    Deb W.

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    Was it what he was used to eating before 12 weeks ago ? Yes they can if they have been eating the same thing year after year. They can be allergic to a new food or a food they have been eating for to long.
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    Are you supposed to change food every 12 weeks?  Jamison is now 4 - I meant that he's eaten the same food since I got him at 12 weeks up until now.

     

     

    Deb W.

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    iluvjamison

    Are you supposed to change food every 12 weeks?  Jamison is now 4 - I meant that he's eaten the same food since I got him at 12 weeks up until now.

     

     

    Deb W.

    H E L L N O!

    Dawnben misunderstood your statement.

    I have an allergy dog, trust me, right now the only thing that would make me suspect food is if there was an ingredient change. Since he has been on this since he was a puppy, I would go the blood work route first. The second would be seasonal allergies that might be compounded by weather changes ( ie: is your weather very extreme from the last couple of years?), then look at the food.

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    Jamison please take your pills for Mommy like a good boy!

    I always slipped Shadows pill in weiners  I would cut up bite size and give him one without meds and one with meds.  Of course we had always made a game out of toss and catch the weiner.  He didnt really care whether there was anything in the weiner he just wanted to play the game :)   Toward the end of he illness he was on serveral meds he never got tired of the toss the weiner game.

    Hot had to take antibiotics when he cut his foot.  He cant catch anything but I still hid the meds in bite size weiners.  Some would have meds some wouldnt he would take them all.

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    Signs of a Dog Food Allergy The main sign of an allergy, no matter what type of allergy is going to be itchy skin, which can manifest into scratching and/or chewing, sores, head shaking, hair loss, face rubbing, and reoccuring infections (commonly ear infections). If the food allergy isoverlooked, then the simple skin irritation can manifest into more serious symptoms, such as vomiting, diarrhea, flatulence, sneezing, asthma like respiratory symptoms, seizures, and even behavioral changes. Typically a food allergy is overlooked, as skin problems are typically just associated with fleas, mange, or some external allergen such as pollen or dust. And, in many cases, a food allergy is not the first suspect because the dog has eaten the same dog food for years, and the problems have just recently started to occur. Well, like people, dogs can suddenly develop a food allergy, and it's not uncommon for a dog food manufacture to make a slight change in the ingredients. A food allergy can appear in any age dog, breed, and gender. There is nothing that can prevent a dog from developing a food allergy.
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    Deb -- there are four types of allergy -- atopic (inhaled), food allergy, contact allergy and flea allergy dermatitis

    Yes, food allergies are real -- but typically aren't primary. Atopic allergies are typically the primary allergy and then can morph into any and all other kinds of allergy. Food switching can make a real mess because then you wind up exposing the dog over and over to new potential allergens.

    (why this switched fonts I have no idea).

    As to whether it's going to be seasonal (which would be atopic allergies) or if it will be permanent? There's no answer to that yet.  Typically dog allergies worsen over time -- the big deal is not over-expose him to new new new things. 

    Typically -- ANY kind of atopic or even food allergy often hits the mucus membranes - like inside the ears, and even the anal tissues. Ears are often the first place for allergies to erupt. But unlike humans, most dog allergies of *any* kind come out on the skin.

    Your vet is probably right -- however, I'm not going to recommend the straight veterinary route either.  If you strongly suspect food allergy -- the only real way to know is to do a real food trial -- cook for him with just 2 ingredients and once you get him to clear then you add things in.  You really can't do a true elmination diet on any sort of commercial food.   But food is NOT where I'd start.  Particularly since it IS spring and the time of greening and there have been no changes you're aware of, likely it's atopic.

    Billy has to be THE worst allergy dog I've ever had (and man, trust me -- I've had some BIG allergy dogs).

    I know I say this about a lot of things, but probably the biggest help for Billy has been both TCVM and homeopathy. TCVM (and there are superb TCVM vets all over NJ -- from up near the City down to Cape May they are ALL over) helps in so many ways.

    Allergies are, at their core, an immune problems. acupuncture can really help balance the immune system. The Oriental herbs are incredible -- they stop the itching and help deal with both the allergies and the resulting skin/ear problems.

    Homeopathy was the key to Billy's. (and to mine actually) The best part about both TCVM and homeopathy is no side effects.

    However -- right now you need to begin to help the body cope with the allergens. Benedryl is often a first step ... there are MANY antihistamines that work on dogs. Again I'm going to say they aren't always the best alternative -- they take a toll on the kidneys and everything else.

    Gina's suggestion of the blood panel is THE BEST first step. Because if it IS a thyroid problem then ain't nuffin you do otherwise gonna work!!

    At this point I really prefer sending stuff to Dr. Dodds directly. She does an absolutely awesome blood panel along with the thyroid panel and then SHE will also consult with your vet or you via email.

    If you go to http://www.hemopet.org -- you'll find the form your vet will need to fill out and guidance on how much blood to draw (because she does such a HUGE panel -- which is bigger and more broad than Antechs chem panel) she needs more blood than is usually drawn. The vet then prepares the blood and you OVERNIGHT IT on ice to her. Honestly it's a bit more money but just getting her input and the extra information can find thyroid problems that regular testing misses.

    See she's not just checking for mere thyroid - but also for some of the auto-immune stuff we're seeing crop up -- it gives the vet more information for diagnosis.

    Dr. Dodds was head of MSU (Michigan State University)'s endocrinology department for years. When she reitred she went to California and started Hemopet (which is a dog blood donor agency) but it also allows her to consult with vet schools and research blood diseases.

    She set up MSU's endocrine lab and it was Dr. Dodds who initially came up with the idea of breed-specific thyroid testing.

    When you send for thyroid panel to most labs they literally use the same "chart" for a chihuhua as a rottweiler as a beagle as an akita. But each breed has a different metabolic pattern.

    She's well known and respected. But she tends not to just look at results as 1, 2, 3 -- just getting HER input is invaluable.

    When we first got Billy his ears were literally swelled shut from allergies. We thot we were going to have to have ear ablations done on him (that was the assumption when we got him).

    I barrelled in with herbs AND with the TCVM and we got a long ways. But I could NOT get it to resolve.

    NOT UNTIL we had done FOUR thyroid panels to the regular lab. FINALLY I said "Can we send this for breed-specific testing?" and ALL the vets hollered YES!!  Initially we used MSU, but Dr. Dodds has that beat in all ways.  Every time the regular one had come back just above borderline so ... they didn't supplement. 

    WOW -- did breed-specific testing?  HE WAS **LOW**.  Most definitely low, and as history has now proven, it's not easy with Billy to elevate it.But what a huge huge difference it made.

    Now, I don't use a synthetic (like Synthroid) on him -- we use a natural glandular.  But WOW -- what a huge difference.  The biggest part of the allergies cleared after we startes supplementing him.

    The synthetics (your normal thyroid med that the vet prescribes) aren't "bad" -- but you get a better coat, etc. with the glandular usually.  If I can possibly use a natural I'm going to.

    But in all of the above, Billy does still have allergies but largely we keep them at bay.  Allergies you don't "cure" - you simply find what works and maintain.

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    iluvjamison

    BlackLabbie
    Dirty teeth, smelly breath, and red gums. We've had 2 dentals done on Molson and he's going in for a third in July. His teeth get this almost fuzz like scum on them. We've tried RMB's, all different foods, they still get scuzzy. Molsons teeth/gums/breath only get nasty when his allergies flair up. Then we get the anal gland issues (the need to be expressed multi times), followed by the hotspots.

     

     

    Wonderful  . . . . . I can hardly wait for the teeth to go next.

     

    Deb W.

    Also wanted to add...when we changed his food his allergies EXPLODED. I mean, he was covered in hotspots overnight, his ears were bright pink and smelled, he was scooting around and then he irritated his butt so badly it got swollen and chapped...for awhile it was seriously bad. All 3 dogs now eat Canidae Grain Free Salmon, seems to be doing good.
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    Thats funny calliecritters because that is where I get most of my information on diet is from Dr. Jean Dodd.http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/doddsnutrition.html. Hear is an article on the importance of diet and nutrition and how it affects the immune system. She also writes for the whole dog journal and wrote a great article about veggie diets. It is the only thing that helped my foxhound. I am just skeptical of vets that test and still prescribe meds when they dont find anything definitive wrong with a dog. The meds lower the immune system and do more damage while they do nothing to correct the problem and often harm the dog. Often times in my experience changing to a limited diet with a different meat source that is not common corrects the problem. I do not like relying on meds to correct a problem like this. Some kind of infection yes but that was not found here. I look the boosting the natural immune system with diet and certain vitamins like c which is a natural antihistamine.
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    ICECREAM!!!  The answer to giving meds!  If this doesn't work I don't know what will!  Just put the meds in a teaspoon of icecream.

    I use Dr. Dodds' services and usually have them do a "Profile 7200" which includes the age, sex, breed specific thyroid, CBC, chemistry and full analysis.  Well worth the money!

    Have you given a medicated bath yet?  It should help...if not it'll be soothing!

    Sending some get cured vibes for Jamison.

    p.s. -- I second the TCVM also.

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    The allergies this year have just been completely AWFUL for everyone - dogs, cats, people, etc. Mine have been out of control, personally.

    We seen a TON of itchy/allergy/infection dogs at work right now... it's bad. All sorts of breeds, all sorts of dogs that never had a problem before. I'd say it's probably environmental/seasonal, vs food. Yes, food allergies CAN develop over time, but given the issues MANY people are having this year - I'd say that's highly unlikely in your case.

    Don't discount your vet, please. He went to school for this, ,and knows your pet and you. I'm sure the pills WILL help - and I hope you take his advise, versus a strangers online telling you to change vets over this. I am not pill happy, or pro-medication-for-every-little-thing, but sometimes - a pill can go a LONG way to relief for a dog/person with things like this.

    Casey says he loves liverwurst. You may want to try some canned cat food, or tuna. Something really smelly so his hound-nose can't smell it. Try making him do a trick, sit, shake - I find sometimes that can really help - then he's SURE he's getting a reward.