snippty snappity slop - subjective ambiguity ran up the clock

 I see this whole discussion as an excellent lesson in classical vs. operant conditioning.  Despite the consequences delivered by the mods/admin (positive, negative or otherwise) all it takes is one poster to ring a bell and several others will respond accordingly. 

silverserpher

 I see this whole discussion as an excellent lesson in classical vs. operant conditioning.  Despite the consequences delivered by the mods/admin (positive, negative or otherwise) all it takes is one poster to ring a bell and several others will respond accordingly. 

Including you, since you are here...  But, I admit, I don't know whether to C/T or alpha roll you. 

 What is this thread about?

Chuffy

 What is this thread about?

I think it is about 3 pages too long.  :)

spiritdogs

silverserpher

 I see this whole discussion as an excellent lesson in classical vs. operant conditioning.  Despite the consequences delivered by the mods/admin (positive, negative or otherwise) all it takes is one poster to ring a bell and several others will respond accordingly. 

 

 

Including you, since you are here...  But, I admit, I don't know whether to C/T or alpha roll you. 

What if you click and then treat with a little california roll.  Best of both worlds there.   

Oh, this is all about OC (and some CC thrown in, sure).  Whining, attacking, and other unpleasant behaviors are tolerated and unintentionally reinforced by site policies.

If I were ruler of the universe (ha!), there would be both more leeway in post content and harsher penalties for crossing the line.  Time outs can be wonderously effective when people are reinforced by bickering*. If posters report stuff that isn't against forum rules, even if it hurts feelings, leave the stuff there. There is no right not to be offended.  Habitual complainers will stop if they aren't coddled. (Note - I have no idea who is reporting what, so I am NOT making personal attacks against specific posters).

Gah.  I like so many of you, but I find this situation ridiculous.  Own your behaviors and intentions, people. No, we don't all like each other here. Occasionally we let frustration get the better of us - happens to me too, I'm not some holier than thou PITA.  I'm just a regular PITA. But for the love of all things canine, OWN IT when you act badly. "But she/he/it started it" is not becoming in adults. 

* I may or may not have a personal history of reinforcement by bickering. I'd could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. 

Dog_ma

If posters report stuff that isn't against forum rules, even if it hurts feelings, leave the stuff there. There is no right not to be offended

I do, and I agree with you.  Deciding what is a personal attack and what should be removed, and what is simply an opinion is difficult...we're human and we might make mistakes sometimes, but I am generally in favour of leaving things that aren't outright and intentionally nasty.

Reporting a post isn't an easy way to get something you don't like edited....I use the report feature as a guide to what I need to look at when I first log on, but I don't automatically edit just because something's been reported.  I'm also not likely to edit anything that hasn't been reported unless it's bad and I just happen to catch it quickly.  The report feature is there to assist members in helping to govern the forum themselves, and if a post doesn't bother any member enough to take the time to report it, I don't feel that I should decide for the masses that it should bother all of you.  For better or worse, members make this forum what it is and I'd prefer to see more self-regulation going on.  Naturally, people are going to overreact at times, and report things that really aren't that big a deal....that's where the mods and I come in...we have the unenviable job of deciding what is a big deal and what isn't.

Dog_ma

But for the love of all things canine, OWN IT when you act badly. "But she/he/it started it" is not becoming in adults. 

Ahhh, what nirvana that would be.   

Sera_J

Lost Coyote, how do you know that the people involved were not notified?? Let me assure you they were. In adition to the personal attacks, things were going to a personal level and quite off topic. And to make sure i'm very clear, if you had needed to be involved, you would have been. So that's that. Resolved and the apparent ambiguity cleared up. So let's move along a get back to nicely debating more interesting topics.

 
I take it that means that general in-thread warnings don't apply to anyone who isn't also contacted privately? I take it that means, "the public" doesn't need to be involved, and thus, isn't? If that's the case, then, I'm sorry, I have to admit that I don't understand the function of disruptive public warnings - if it's already been handled privately, with specific posters.

 

Ixas_girl

Sera_J

Lost Coyote, how do you know that the people involved were not notified?? Let me assure you they were. In adition to the personal attacks, things were going to a personal level and quite off topic. And to make sure i'm very clear, if you had needed to be involved, you would have been. So that's that. Resolved and the apparent ambiguity cleared up. So let's move along a get back to nicely debating more interesting topics.

I take it that means that general in-thread warnings don't apply to anyone who isn't also contacted privately? I take it that means, "the public" doesn't need to be involved, and thus, isn't? If that's the case, then, I'm sorry, I have to admit that I don't understand the function of disruptive public warnings - if it's already been handled privately, with specific posters.

 

Hmmm, I can't imagine it's any different then when you used to do the warnings and red ink people.  I'm sorry, but the only people who seem to be confused are the ones getting red inked, or asked to be civil.  It actually seems there has been less red ink lately as someone who just lurks and doesn't really post in those threads.  I see a lot of passive aggressive behavior(not you in particular ixas but in general on this and several other threads)................I dont' think anyone is really fooled by this thread.  I'm not seeing why any of these "concerns" warranted a public thread.  A PM would be more appropriate IMO, or maybe the purpose is to insult or "mess with" the mods/admins.  If one truely doesn't know if something they said is percieved as snippy, why would you not PM the moderator?  I've done that the time I was red inked.  Sorry but I'm not passive aggressive, I'm aggressive aggressive and just wanted to make it know that many who have been lurking here are not seeing the ambiguity, just seeing people who got their hands slapped trying to blame others or take a jab at the people who scolded them.  The "disruptive" public warnings clearly are there to WARN others who are itchin to join in the train wreck.

Sera_J

Lost Coyote, how do you know that the people involved were not notified?? Let me assure you they were. In adition to the personal attacks, things were going to a personal level and quite off topic. .

Ixas and LostCoyote, there was a general warning for going off topic and PM's for the personal attacks.

I don't know how much more clear I can make this.  So, I'm not going to try.  To quote the words of our fearless leader, Amstaffy (on the Vicious Cycle thread): 

 "Bottom line, It's all about being nice, getting along and respecting each other.

If you don't like the rules or can't take the moderation, find another place to hang out and treat other as disrespectful as you like..others have and more will I'm sure.

This forum will be moderated to stay within the guidelines of an all ages forum"

Sera_J

I don't know how much more clear I can make this.  So, I'm not going to try. 

*content removed*

 I thought that the mod/admin responses were perfectly clear the first three times they were posted.  Apparently, some people are just slower than others.