snippty snappity slop - subjective ambiguity ran up the clock

 As the OP on the clicker links thread, maybe I'm missing something here.  Why is my posting my opinion that "I would rather motivate my dogs than chastise them" any different than someone else stating the opinion "I love calm assertive"?   (Especially when that is almost certainly a reference not only to a philosophy, but to a particular person's philosophy. Should that require a disclaimer, too?  We could argue that endlessly as well if we chose to.) 

You know, I'd bet that the mods are tiring of this endless bickering, and the persistence with which anyone goes around tit for tatting will lead to the mods editing them more than anyone.  Time to go back to talking about dogs,  don't ya think?

spiritdogs

 As the OP on the clicker links thread, maybe I'm missing something here.  Why is my posting my opinion that "I would rather motivate my dogs than chastise them"

I have no problem with the truth of your statement, literally.  I also appreciate that you did not include Dr. Yin's videosin your list.  I think the "missing" part has to do with predictable behavior concept.

Ixas_girl, I don't understand the fuss with you having a problem with the word "rude".  It is perfectly acceptable to characterize a member's behavior as rude or a post being rude.  There is strong authoritarian prescedence established here.  It may be along the lines that it is also ok to associate a post with the word uppity. 

Ron2, you state that you use +R training and I interpret that you grabbing the emperor's title for the most positive training method and using the science of OC as justification.  The fact is, you can not effectively use one quad of OC without other quads coming into play.  Therefore if you want, IMO, to be pure positive then you have to leave OC and C&CC.  This is why I am moving toward understanding and satisfying the dog's natural needs.  Having a multi dog household. bringing in fosters for rehab that come and go, and observing gives me enough evidence to go this route.  A dog who needs are satisified is well balanced and well behaved easily goes along and follows the human's direction.  For me, my evidence is Petro who is a Great Dane and well behavior but trained in nothing except COME.  My most recent experience is with Paganini, a chow mix that is labeled extreme DA.  Now, she is living well with 5 other dogs.  This Paganini is teaching me a lot about satisfying a dog and it is not whether you are feeding enough to the dog but the balance in feeding, exercise, affection, socialization, structure, and most importanly letting a dog be a dog and allowed to do dog behavior.

My point is that a sticky, on a message board, is like a billboard for "house thought". I think it's great that there is both a sticky for clicker videos, and for Millan videos (and you may recall that I was the one, in fact, who first stickied the clicker videos when I moderated here). If the Millan sticky contained snarks at clicker training, I'd object just as much. There is discussion here about soothing "us vs them" issues, but lopsided reactions make that really unlikely, and attempts to flush that out get ... well flushed.

The difference between having emotionalized or sloganey content in a signature is quite different than having it in a stickied thread. This forum allows for a certain amount of personal billboarding in the signatures. It's understood that sigs are the expressions of the posters, not the forum. Stickied threads are different, they are like signatures of the forum. If you think about it, isn't that clear to you, too?

The intent behind my comment was to advance the question, "why not keep the stickied threads clean?" What a lot of trouble to cause by making them available for biased commentary!

DPU, I find it rude to insinuate that folks who don't clicker train are "chastizing" their dogs. I don't find it rude to politely object to such a comment and point out it's emotionalized content. It has been said over and over by the admin staff to "speak to ideas not posters", yet the reverse is getting edited.

Ixas,

 You know the behavior and what it affords. The choice is yours.

You've reposted the content that was removed, it was again edited out of your post in this thread

Ixas_girl

It has been said over and over by the admin staff to "speak to ideas not posters",

It is a fine line to walk and sometimes, even the best of us step over that line.  It is no big deal.  It happens.  IMHO, it is probably best to accept the decision of the moderators and move one.  I can't imagine continuing to argue with mods and admin is going to be in your best interest.

I will be the first to admit that I have had my share of posts edited here.  With one single exception, that being an edit from a moderator who no longer moderates here, I deserved it.  I suspect you did too.

Ixas_girl

 I find it rude to insinuate that folks who don't clicker train are "chastizing" their dogs. I don't find it rude to politely object to such a comment and point out it's emotionalized content. It has been said over and over by the admin staff to "speak to ideas not posters", yet the reverse is getting edited.

It was the "Behavior" in which you delivered your point, in a rude manner towards the posting OP of their training methods...what we feel is rude might be acceptable on other forums.

It would have been much simpler to state the reasoning as you did above, instead of the delivery option you originally chose

Amstaffy, and fellow posters. Thanks for trying to clarify, I appreciate your taking time to do that. 

Since my language that was edited was calm, emotionally neutral, not sarcastic, not name calling, and not personal, baiting, or taunting, I can only conclude that objectionable "behavior" includes some subjectively determined irritant that cannot be named, and that I cannot foresee. So be it. I accept that. 

So, now it's not an issue of my not understanding, but simply not liking the answer. I'll put that in my pipe and smoke it. (Darn, I remember, a few years back, a really great pipe-smoking smiley ... can't seem to find it!)
 

My point is that a sticky, on a message board, is like a billboard for "house thought". I think it's great that there is both a sticky for clicker videos, and for Millan videos (and you may recall that I was the one, in fact, who first stickied the clicker videos when I moderated here). If the Millan sticky contained snarks at clicker training, I'd object just as much. There is discussion here about soothing "us vs them" issues, but lopsided reactions make that really unlikely, and attempts to flush that out get ... well flushed.

**content removed**rude behavior**

The difference between having emotionalized or sloganey content in a signature is quite different than having it in a stickied thread. This forum allows for a certain amount of personal billboarding in the signatures. It's understood that sigs are the expressions of the posters, not the forum. Stickied threads are different, they are like signatures of the forum. If you think about it, isn't that clear to you, too?

While the original clicker link thread was stickied, I did not request that the new thread be stickied.  If the admin thinks it cannot be stickied as I posted it, then they will tell me, or whoever requested the sticky.  **CONTENT REMOVED**

The intent behind my comment was to advance the question, "why not keep the stickied threads clean?" What a lot of trouble to cause by making them available for biased commentary!

Your definition of "clean" is obviously not the same as mine.

DPU, I find it rude to insinuate that folks who don't clicker train are "chastizing" their dogs. I don't find it rude to politely object to such a comment and point out it's emotionalized content. It has been said over and over by the admin staff to "speak to ideas not posters", yet the reverse is getting edited.

spiritdogs

While the original clicker link thread was stickied, I did not request that the new thread be stickied. 

I think it would be really nice if you copied your clicker site references into the orignal stickied thread.  I noticed in the original stickied thread all your post are blank and I am at a lost as to why that would have occured.  As some of you know, I am not in favor of a lot stickies so to have two is unncessary in my opinion. 

DPU

spiritdogs

While the original clicker link thread was stickied, I did not request that the new thread be stickied. 

I think it would be really nice if you copied your clicker site references into the orignal stickied thread.  I noticed in the original stickied thread all your post are blank and I am at a lost as to why that would have occured.  As some of you know, I am not in favor of a lot stickies so to have two is unncessary in my opinion. 

Thanks for the suggestion, but I rather like it the way it is.

I giggled when I saw your new sig. You finally see the real me!

DPU

I interpret that you grabbing the emperor's title for the most positive training method

I thought I was already emperor. I missed the memo, then.