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ORIGINAL: willowchow

I also think that a lot of the problems come up when someone posts a question and starts getting answers or opinions.  Then the next people come and instead of responding to the original question they comment on the response someone made that they don't agree with.  Why can't posts be made with our own opinions and ideas without an analysis of why the previous post was right or wrong?
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I *love it* when I get this kind of a response to a question.  Seeing people debate about what the best solution for my problem helps me make up my mind as to what the best course of action is.  Often things are brought up in these discussions that I had not thought of myself.  If Person A says I should this food, and Person B says I should feed that food, then I want to know what the pros and cons of foods A and B are.  Why the heck are we here if it is not to discuss?  As long as people are not being personal or name calling, what is the harm?

ORIGINAL: dyan

I have been a member here for quite a while.  And honestly, this is not the norm.  I haven't seen a lot of rude behavior or bluntness that should seriously hurt someone's feeling?  Yeah it does happen here and there but it is far from the NORM and such a non issue IMO.

I agree that this is not the norm...that it happens here or there...but don't you think it should not happen at all???  I do!
This is an adult message forum about something we all love...dogs. There is no reason in the world to hurt someones feelings in discussing them.  Of course we're not going to have the same ideas on what to feed them..how to train them.. or even where to get them...but why in the world would we have to hurt any persons feeling while giving your opinion?
Personally,,, I don't think I like the word blunt.  I think its kind of used as an excuse..its an ugly word. 
In a nice discussion...why can't we talk about giving an honest opinion... not a blunt or abrupt opinion?
If I were having a discussion in person...I would never try to be abrupt, I would always be nice...whether I agreed with the person or not.
While we would all like the whole world to agree with us on what we say... I don't think any of us would feel hurt that people do not agree all of the time. However... if people disagree in a way that is rude or cutting...the we get hurt. THAT is what I think we all need to be careful of.

We are human beings and occasionally rudeness is going to happen.  However, I really think that it is quite rare.  I have over 2000 posts on here and tend to post on controversial threads and can think of one time when I was actually personally offended at a comment directed toward me.  I think for that many posts and for as many hours as I spend on here and as many topics that I have posted on that is pretty darn good.

I have said it before and I'll say it again.  I have seen people claim to be "attacked" when there was nothing more than disagreement going on.  I'm talking that at point that one of the mods even told the person that they are over-reacting.

I pretty much converse on this board how I converse in real life (although I generally use more profanity in real life []), and I think that is the case with many people on here.  With the huge number of posts that come across this board every day I think it is inevidable that some are going to be rude, but it is not the large scale rudeness that some seem to believe it is.

I *love it* when I get this kind of a response to a question. Seeing people debate about what the best solution for my problem helps me make up my mind as to what the best course of action is. Often things are brought up in these discussions that I had not thought of myself. If Person A says I should this food, and Person B says I should feed that food, then I want to know what the pros and cons of foods A and B are. Why the heck are we here if it is not to discuss? As long as people are not being personal or name calling, what is the harm?

 
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I pretty much converse on this board how I converse in real life (although I generally use more profanity in real life []), and I think that is the case with many people on here. 

 
I also do that...and in all my email.  But often in my post here (unlike email) I end up rereading what I posted...and I catch myself making spelling errors, punctuation errors... and sometimes not "sounding" like I wanted to sound...thinking that it can be taken the wrong way.  We have that oppertunity to do that in the forum.
 
Willow brings up a point. I agree that commenting on an answer to the OP brings more information and debate and makes the converation more interesting and informative. But I wonder if she means something beyond adding to the converasation...but rather commenting on an answer that had nothing to do with what the OP asked.
 
As far a rudeness on this forum...if it happened as little as some of you guys are proposing,,, it would not be an issue that would need to be discussed or policy changes over. I think it is an issue because it goes on a lot, and sometimes in the form of hiding behind words such as blunt or direct. And some people are really good at being rude by saying things that "beat around the bush" and word it so that they will not be reprimanded.

i do know that after i received the post edit cited above, i'm always a little skittish to post

I just wanted to say I would have to agree with this.

what i see most often is peoples emotions getting them into trouble.

It would be tough to be banned because your emotions got away with you.

ORIGINAL: dyan

As far a rudeness on this forum...if it happened as little as some of you guys are proposing,,, it would not be an issue that would need to be discussed or policy changes over. I think it is an issue because it goes on a lot, and sometimes in the form of hiding behind words such as blunt or direct. And some people are really good at being rude by saying things that "beat around the bush" and word it so that they will not be reprimanded.

Actually, I personally think that those who think that they are of victim of the dreaded rudeness are just whining more.  Most of those that speak in a "blunt" manner where here when Amstaffy was admining and it didn't seem to be nearly as much of an issue then.

ORIGINAL: dyan

I pretty much converse on this board how I converse in real life (although I generally use more profanity in real life []), and I think that is the case with many people on here. 

I also do that...and in all my email.  But often in my post here (unlike email) I end up rereading what I posted...and I catch myself making spelling errors, punctuation errors... and sometimes not "sounding" like I wanted to sound...thinking that it can be taken the wrong way.  We have that oppertunity to do that in the forum.

Willow brings up a point. I agree that commenting on an answer to the OP brings more information and debate and makes the converation more interesting and informative. But I wonder if she means something beyond adding to the converasation...but rather commenting on an answer that had nothing to do with what the OP asked.

As far a rudeness on this forum...if it happened as little as some of you guys are proposing,,, it would not be an issue that would need to be discussed or policy changes over. I think it is an issue because it goes on a lot, and sometimes in the form of hiding behind words such as blunt or direct. And some people are really good at being rude by saying things that "beat around the bush" and word it so that they will not be reprimanded.

I think you're expecting too much of a message board.  IMO.  Not everyone cares to conduct themselves in the same manor as you do.  Like I said, in real time friends and social events you can choose easily which crowd or what type of people you care to socialize with.  However, on an internet forum you need to decide..  Can I handle some of these people and there demeanor or not, since it is not up to my standard and beliefs.  Just like with your circle of friends and family you can choose easily not to participate, socialize etc.  If you didn't like someone in person, in your life, would you ask them to conduct themselves in a more appropriate manor?  Or would you just avoid being in their company?

I agree vulgarities can be stopped but people and their personalities and writing styles can not.  And one thing I learned in business is that typed words are SO left up to interpretation.  In my work world many people are thought of as sending snotty emails or not being nice and when you finally speak to them you realize they didn't mean it like at all.  Most of the time they were trying to use humor or often just in a hurry so they were short and to the point, coming across as blunt and non friendly.  Lots of it is how we interpret.

Your asking that a bunch of strangers with a million different personalizes, beliefs, social up bringing, religions and ages conform and do like you do to help minimize hurt feeling – it ain't gonna happen.   And let's not forget that what one person may find acceptable others do not, that is the bottom line.  Although you edit and reedit your post there could still be someone out there that may find a problem or take offense.  Such is life………..[&:]

I have a couple of questions, although I think maybe they will be lost in the feedback....  I almost started a new thread for feedback on the tos, but decided it would probably have been misconstrued as a Gang up on mods thread and probably would have got me banned.  So, I suppose my first question is; would this have been the case?  Is the seperate thread a good idea?
 
My second question relates to luvmyswissy's points, which I agree with.  Will OPEN rudeness be edited?  or will we get edits/formal warnings for things that are very open to interpretation? 
 
Next question is: I got the impression from the tos that ALL edits come with a strike.  Is this the case?  Does this also include where we may be edited because we have ref'd deleted content?  So, also going back to Q2, if stuff that is open to interpretation is edited and I interpret it as harmless and I reference it and get edited too, I get a strike?
 
Next question:  Is it likely that "strikes" will be discounted after the member discusses it with a mod?  And if so, is the conent reinstated?
 
Last question:  In the past any warnings have been private, nobody has been openly "told off" on the forum, even if they were serious troublemakers or trolls.  This is no longer the case, and does not only target serious offenders.  I see someone has edited content in one of their posts and know that they have also been warned.  I could also, if I wanted, look at their post history and see if they are on the point of being suspended/banned.  I could even run whining to admin that so and so has so many edits, why are they still here etc.  I don't know, I just wonder if public scoldings are such a good idea.  I wonder if it will create bad feeling.  Has this been discussed amongst the admin?  Do you maybe think its not such a big deal?  Am I the only one who finds this new method leaves a bad taste in my mouth?
 
I have read and re-read this post very carefully.  I hope its ok.

ORIGINAL: Chuffy
 

Next question is: I got the impression from the tos that ALL edits come with a strike.  Is this the case?  Does this also include where we may be edited because we have ref'd deleted content?   Excellent question.  Since it  doesn't seem possible to reference something after it has been deleted one can only assume that the responder referenced whatever it was before the deletion. That shouldn't cause a problem for any one.  Am I the only one who finds this new method leaves a bad taste in my mouth? Nope.

 
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ORIGINAL: Benedict

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Xerxes, sometimes we forget to "close" a ticket, even if we've resolved the issue - especially so if we dealt with it via PM. Responding better to tickets is an issue that we (the Mod team) have just discussed.

Well, all these years until the present administration took the reins, I never had, or initiated, a ticket, and I don't really understand what they are and how they work.  Could you explain it?

Anne,

In the lower right-hand corner of every post is a "Report" link. If you click that it will take you to the screen to fill out a ticket, and the ticket will be assigned to a mod of the section the post is in.

I understand that part.  So, does that mean that if there's one on you it shows up when you go to your inbox?  Or, are those the ones you created on someone else?  And, when do they get removed?

I beg forgiveness for not answering the above concerns now even though I am online. It is just about my bedtime here and I would like to have a clear head when responding to anything on this thread, important issues are being raised.

ETA: Someone else may get to this before I wake up, of course. LOL.

ORIGINAL: Benedict

Anne,

In the lower right-hand corner of every post is a "Report" link. If you click that it will take you to the screen to fill out a ticket, and the ticket will be assigned to a mod of the section the post is in.

When you initiate a "ticket" it goes to the "ticket list". The assigned mod uses the ticket to go directly to the problem post. Members only have access to tickets they create. Mods address the ticketed problem post and leave a reply for the "member ticket initiator." Mods then close the ticket.

If you click that it will take you to the screen to fill out a ticket, and the ticket will be assigned to a mod of the section the post is in.

So, do I assume that if you want to ticket a mod, that same mod will get to address his/her own ticket if the post occurs in a section they moderate???  It would seem that members, if they have a beef with a mod's post, should have a different way to address that.  Would that be PM to admin?  Or, would a complaint about a mod just earn the member another warning?  Not that I think the inmates should be in charge of the asylum, but since we have been discussing "moderation" in the moderation, it seems an appropriate question to ask. 

Yes, you can send a PM directly to the Administrator if you have an issue with a Moderator. Also, if you ticket a Moderator, the ticket will be passed along to the Administrator.

I've read this entire thread and feel like I was beaten with a pipe.