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And, I respect yours and want to thank you for respecting mine.[]

I think that when one has a mutliple dog home that of course they're probably going to have some issues. She posts about them, gets advice, and corrects the situation. I mean, if she's having anymore issues with Pepito, I'm not reading about it because I haven't seen any recent posts about it. I think, from her posts, that if or when she finds out a dog of hers has issues, she deals with it, takes care of it, recognizes it and works with it.

She's not coming here saying, "Oh no, my dog bit my face off and I had to get 3390 stitches in my face all because I told him to get off of my bed. What do I do???"
She realizes the issues she's coming across and if I read correctly, she even has an idea of how she's going to go about fixing them or making them easier to live with. She might be more receptive to advice had she not been attacked by people judging her (and making it REAL CLEAR that they are judging her). By the time she got any legitimate advice, she was probably so ticked off and hurt by those who judged her, to take ANYONE'S advice.

ORIGINAL: paulaedwina

Sigh! I wish people would just forward the script. I mean, if you just tell me what you would like me to say I will happily reproduce it for you.  No skin off my nose.

Paula

 
I almost spit out my water all over my keyboard!!!!!  Yah, well said. 
 
"I want your opinions...oh but not THAT one!!!!"

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

I missed the ENTIRE thread. I went back and read it, not the entire thing, but I caught the gist of the "congrats, nice to see you back"s, and I caught the advice, and I caught the judgments.

Sure, she posted it on a public forum, but the judgements made are harsher than anything Ratsicles deserved, IMO.

I think she's proven that if something happens with her dogs, she is willing and ABLE to figure out how to make it work out.

IMO, she was kind enough to come here and update us on her life and, through the issues she's having, was happy with her new house and wanted to share.

It's not like she's having issues with her dog and is going, "OMG, Ogre killed chickens, oh well, I don't know what to do so I'm just going accept the fact that he killed chickens and let him around them still"

I have NO IDEA why some people here think they are holier than thou and think they have the right to harshly judge someone when EVERYONE makes mistakes.

I made one with my dog. Hell, I made TWO very horrible mistakes to the CORE with my dog, but I am STILL a responsible owner. I may not know exactly HOW to make my dog tick, but I'm willing to learn and I'm making it work. And that is what I feel Ratsicles is doing as well.
It's a shame that she is leaving.
A DAMN shame.

I wish the people here who claim that have perfect dogs (maybe not directly but their judgements speak louder than just coming out and saying it) and perfect relationships with their dogs and claim they are perfect dog communicators/readers, would get the heck over themselves. No one is perfect. Leave your judgements for your OWN MIND and realize that someone is working on getting just AS PERFECT AS YOU ARE. JEEZ.

Gina (rwbeagles) had the right idea in that thread, she gave advice and offered support. We ALL KNOW that Ratsicles has worked some brave wonders with dogs and is MORE THAN willing to continue working with her dogs.

 
 
Hold on a minute!  Where were the judgements???  I did not see one person call her "stupid" or a "bad person" and yet that's the story she made up from the comments.  I saw it as people expressing genuine concern for her ability to care for so many animals especially given a dog like Ogre thrown into the mix of all that. 
 
I did see one person bring up a previous dog she owned who had to be PTS for aggression issues.  I'm sure that is a sensitive spot - I've been in that exact same situation and also bristle when others have questioned my ability to own dogs based on the fact I had to have one PTS.  It IS a legitimate question, and it IS something to look at in terms of what is going on in someone's life that *might* contribute to that situation.  It wasn't a finger-point, it was an observation - albeit a risky one - but not unkind in the way it was stated.

Maybe no one came out and said "Stupid" or any direct name calling, but COME ON, there were judgments in there. Played off as subtle things and then someone would come out and say something out right (like Billy, not that I'm downing him because AT LEAST he came right out and said what he meant instead of dancing around the subject) and then others would jump on the "oh I agree with that." bandwagon. When in reality, those jumping on the bandwagon should have been bold enough to come out and say what they wanted to say in the first place instead of asking questions hinting to what they wanted to say because that starts trouble. And THAT really hurts feelings.
And if you want to know what I'm talking about, specifically, I'm talking about Espencer's talk about killing chickens. Dang, it appears as though he's trying to question her responsibility without coming out and doing so, but then saying, "I AGREE 200%" as soon as Billy chimes in with his "observation". At least Billy's "observation" was direct and forward.

Just an observation....I have been around this forum for a long time (since about Sept 2003).
At that time, there was a clique of members who kind of stuck together.  When a new person came on, sometimes they were accepted into the fold, and sometimes not. If they weren't accepted, their posts were just generally ignored, or short factual answers were given to questions.
As I see it, there is a different clique here lately, but it has evolved into something quite nasty. Now I often see what looks like pack behavior. Someone posts something that some may see as controversial.  One member attacks, then others move in for the kill, not stopping the attack until the  OP either runs away, or turns belly up and submits completely.
Of course, there are still many members who strive to be thoughtful, kind, and helpful in addressing posts.  Unfortunately, they sometimes seem to be the silent majority.
I hope things turn around soon on this forum.  It is "just an internet forum", but I can understand how people's feelings get hurt and they no longer care to participate.  It is too bad that we have lost some very knowledgable contributors in the past months. 
None of us here is perfect, and no one has all the answers. If you don't agree with something someone posts, how about taking a break, taking a deep breath, and trying to phrase your response (if you MUST respond) in a way that doesn't seem so much like a lion ripping apart a piece of meat? It would make the forum more pleasant for everyone.
 

Sad, though. I didn't get to say hello either.

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

Maybe no one came out and said "Stupid" or any direct name calling, but COME ON, there were judgments in there. Played off as subtle things and then someone would come out and say something out right (like Billy, not that I'm downing him because AT LEAST he came right out and said what he meant instead of dancing around the subject) and then others would jump on the "oh I agree with that." bandwagon. When in reality, those jumping on the bandwagon should have been bold enough to come out and say what they wanted to say in the first place instead of asking questions hinting to what they wanted to say because that starts trouble. And THAT really hurts feelings.
And if you want to know what I'm talking about, specifically, I'm talking about Espencer's talk about killing chickens. Dang, it appears as though he's trying to question her responsibility without coming out and doing so, but then saying, "I AGREE 200%" as soon as Billy chimes in with his "observation". At least Billy's "observation" was direct and forward.

 
I respectfully do not agree.  I think that several people here, including myself, were appalled at 1) what Ratsicles was reporting happened and 2) the fact that it seemed almost everyone else just wanted to gush and congratulate over the new puppy and was totally ignoring this huge issue of the fact that this dog was allowed to run rampant on her farm not once, not twice, but MULTIPLE times killing and tormenting animals before it was decided to seriously address the problem!  And out of that, some questions came up that were very pointed and direct.  I didn't see Espencers posts about the chickens as indirect or skirting an issue...I see it more as he went off on a tangent about the chickens and wanted to probe and see if it might be an issue that she's feeding some dogs raw chickens and then one dog is killing chickens.  It becamse clear that wasn't the case and then he dropped the subject.
 
And yeah, I think he was relieved when another member wasn't jumping on the "ooohh, what a gorgeous new puppy" bandwagon - I have to say, until I read their posts I was shocked at the affirmation-fest going on and was frankly scared to post what I felt that was so conflicted with the rest of the thread...but it was a nagging issue that I wanted to say also!  I admit, I am not sure I would have voiced my opinion if Billy and Espencer hadn't already gone out on that limb.  I didn't think that I was dogpiling, as I had some legitimate questions of my own, and worked hard to find information on the Akita breed that might lend some insight to this situation.  It wasn't just an outright attack on Ratsicles nor was I standing in judgment of who she is as a person.
 
I'm relatively new to this forum and I have yet to see evidence of a "clique" other than what became evident in the whole "I am a member" debacle.  And even so, none of them posted in this thread that I could see, nor did they post anything nasty in the Jeano goodbye thread.
 
 
 

Might I suggest that, in the future, if someone has a question regarding a mod's decision, to either contact that mod or the admin, rather than starting a new thread, which will only serve to perpetuate the mindset and posting style that caused the first thread to be locked?

As Snownose said to me, I respect your opinion and I do.

We clearly see it two different ways and that's fine.

But, I tell you what, like I've said, I've screwed up with my dog making two horrible mistakes with her. Had I come here and posted about them, vented or WHATEVER about them, I'd surely be taking the same route Ratsicles is if you all had reacted to me in the same manner as you did her.

My mistakes?

1. I brought my dog to a behaviorist/trainer who was HORRIBLE. If he didn't cause my dog's dog aggression then he at the very least worsened or uncovered a problem in an abusive way.

2. While grabbing my son's bookbag from him one day, Ella pushed past my knee and out the door across the street to attack a female boxer being walked by a lady in her 70's. There was no warning that my dog was going to attack. There was no reason known to most humans why she would have attacked that dog. She simply ran up to her and bit her several times. There was no, "I'm going to attack you for doing ____to me" growl or teeth bearing warning. She just did it.

Those were my two HUGE mistakes with my dog. Another mistake that I'm currently making? I walk my dog, but I am AFRAID the entire time. I have to gear up for off leash doggy war and the whole thought that I have to do that bothers me. I have seen my dog attack another dog for whatever reason in her doggy mind, and she is terribly dog aggressive. I fear for any off leash dogs that come up to us. I replay scenarios, play out possible scenarios and our walks are sometimes cut short because I start panicking in my mind.
I have my trainer/behaviorist consultant coming over and working with me, but I beat myself up over it.

Where is the line drawn for judging someone on something and then not judging someone on something?
I see her working through her problems and doing what she can and what she feels is right.

Moderator here,
 
Snownose...
I'm going to be very honest with you. The reasons I locked that thread are the same reasons you started this one. Since you publicly question my moderating I will publicly answer you.
 
You need to move on.

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As a general statement, I think we as posters need to be a lot less judgmental here. I know some posters are older than others - that does not, however, give them the right to judge those who are younger. I would hope that those of a more mature age might actually be less judgmental and more open-minded as they have had more years to mature as caring human beings.

I've seen several threads where people seem to justify unkind posts with "it's just a kid" or "the OP is too young to know what he's talking about." That really, really, really ruffles my feathers. Some people grow up faster than others, particularly if they are forced to - to me, discrimination based on age is just as offensive as any other type of discrimination.

I didn't want to add fuel to the fire but I really needed to get that off my chest. I'm going to go write some warm fuzzies to make up for it []

You need to move on.

As always, I respect your opinion......... **Content Removed - Rude Post** ....thank you[]

ORIGINAL: NicoleS
Irregardless of what's "right" or "wrong"

 
Any use of the word, "irregardless" is wrong.  []

ORIGINAL: probe1957

ORIGINAL: NicoleS
Irregardless of what's "right" or "wrong"

Any use of the word, "irregardless" is wrong.  []

Irregardless of the purpose!

Paula