Help Defeat Florida HB 451 MSN

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    Help Defeat Florida HB 451 MSN

    a few weeks back about a bill introduced and filed in the Florida House of Representatives that would make it Mandatory that virtually all dogs and cats in Florida be spayed or neutered.

    The bill is touted as an effort to reduce the number of animals currently in rescues.

    This bill is poorly written and will achieve nothing as to what it is set out to do.

    1) It will only affect responsible owners that license their animals.

    2) It will legally force people to have surgery performed on their animals. (Surgical procedures should be the decision of the pet owner with advice from their vet.)

    3) It provides no provision to create any sort of low or lower cost spay and neuter programs.

    4) It provides no provision for the cost of enforcement.

    5) Irresponsible people who already do not license their dogs, will fly right under the radar and be unaffected by this law.

    6) It endangers quality breeding programs and bloodlines that have been developed over long periods of time. (Sometimes over one hundred years or more)

    7) It will cost businesses in this state millions of dollars in lost revenue from competitive dog events.

    8) It will also cost the state millions in court costs should it passed. Because it will be tested in court.

    9) It is completely unenforcable without violations the civil rights of the citizens on this state.


    Here is the information on the bill and where it currently stands.


    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/...40352


    I would consider it a personal favor of anyone that signs the petition below.


    http://www.thepetitionsite.com...b-451

    If you are so inclined, write or email your congressman and or the members of the Agriculture and Consumer Affairs Committee.


    And remember this bill is backed, being supported by, and lobbied for by The Humane Society of the United States. Which is an animal rights organization every bit as radical as PETA.

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    I'm not so happy about spay neuter things because they don't do anything...I agree ith a LOT of the points you made above.

    But this bill provides exceptions, so I do not see that "bloodlines could become extinct" or things like that...I do not see your point on that issue. It isn't that difficult just to register the dog. And they have passes for show dogs sporting dogs, dogs earning titles, etc....perhaps I am reading this incorrectly?

    Although I'm totally with you on the fact that this is a badly written bill, it is a bit misleading to imply that it is going to erase bloodlines by forcing breeders/showers/etc to speuter their breeding stock.

     The governing body of a county or municipality is 57 authorized to enact ordinances that require the licensure of the 58 following animals that shall be exempt from sterilization:

    59 1. A show animal registered with an established breed 60 registration organization approved by the Division of Animal 61 Industry of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.62 The department shall adopt rules under ss. 120.536(1) and 120.54 63 to administer this subparagraph.

    64 2. A dog or cat that has earned, or is in the process of 65 earning, a competitive sports or training title, including, but 66 not limited to, agility, obedience, or herding.

    67 3. An animal trained, or in training, for use as a guide 68 dog or service animal.

    69 4. A dog trained, or in training, for use in law 70 enforcement, military, or rescue activities.

    71 5. An animal for which the owner has a valid breeding 72 permit issued in accordance with an ordinance of the county or 73 municipality.

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    I'm not so happy about spay neuter things because they don't do anything...I agree ith a LOT of the points you made above.

    But this bill provides exceptions, so I do not see that "bloodlines could become extinct" or things like that...I do not see your point on that issue. It isn't that difficult just to register the dog. And they have passes for show dogs sporting dogs, dogs earning titles, etc....perhaps I am reading this incorrectly?

    Although I'm totally with you on the fact that this is a badly written bill, it is a bit misleading to imply that it is going to erase bloodlines by forcing breeders/showers/etc to speuter their breeding stock.

     The governing body of a county or municipality is 57 authorized to enact ordinances that require the licensure of the 58 following animals that shall be exempt from sterilization:

    59 1. A show animal registered with an established breed 60 registration organization approved by the Division of Animal 61 Industry of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.62 The department shall adopt rules under ss. 120.536(1) and 120.54 63 to administer this subparagraph.

    64 2. A dog or cat that has earned, or is in the process of 65 earning, a competitive sports or training title, including, but 66 not limited to, agility, obedience, or herding.

    67 3. An animal trained, or in training, for use as a guide 68 dog or service animal.

    69 4. A dog trained, or in training, for use in law 70 enforcement, military, or rescue activities.

    71 5. An animal for which the owner has a valid breeding 72 permit issued in accordance with an ordinance of the county or 73 municipality.

     

    First of all, it states that all dogs must be altered by four months of age or withing 30 days of acquiring the dog. There is no such thing as a four month old show dog. It may be a show prospect. But they cannot compete until they are a minimum of six months old.

    Likewise there is no such thing as a four month dog police dog, performance dog etc. Or a four month old that is part of a breeding program.

     

    Furthermore it mandates surgical procedures. Responsible owners of pets already make these decisions. Responsible owners of performance, show and breeding prospects already take due care of their animals.

     

    The law provides for no enforcement. In fact it cannot be enforced without violating the civil rights of the citizens of the state. Those that are irresponsible will not abide by the law anyway. I am a little over fourty years of age, lived in Florida all of my life, and own multiple dogs for most of my life. My dogs are out in public a all the time. Daily on walks, at parks, dog events, stores and anywhere elsee dogs are welcomed. I have NEVER been asked to provide proof of my dogs license or vaccination records. I have signed statements that my dogs are current on vaccinations and licensing when entering events, but I have yet to be asked. And my dogs have not worn a county license tag on their collars in probably 20 years. I don't leave a buckle collar on my dogs. When out I most often use a Martindale or other slip on collar. I keep the actual tags in my wallet and a copy of  the paper license in my vehicles, my wife's purse, my show bag etc. Just in case I am ever asked to provide proof. But I have not been asked as of yet. The county sends me a renewal every year which I take to the vet with me when I get their annual shots. The vet sends it in and I get the tag at that time. But other than that it never comes up. Frankly I am convinced that the counties have no idea what is going on anyway. In 2005 my wife(then fiance) moved in with me. She had resided in a neighboring county. The first year the renewal on her dog was forwarded to our address here. We got his annual shots and license for this county with my vet. Then sent the form back to the other county marked that the dog now resides outside of that county and even sent a copy of the new license for this county. I know they got it because they updated the address. But we still get a renewal notice from that county every year. I had a dog pass away from AIHA(sp?) in early 2007. I sent the renewal notice back deceased. I acquired a new puppy in the summer of 2007. I got his license when all his shots were done in the fall of 2007. I got NO renewal notice in 2008. But I did get a second renewal on the deceased dog. I sent it back again marked deceased.

    I also took in a rescue that I had no intention of keeping in 2005. (I did so because it was going to get put down.But it was a heck of a nice dog and I wanted to buy it some time.) I got the dog up to date on shots and licensed in my name. It took me until 2007 until I found a good home for the dog. I had licensed it twice in my name. I placed the dog in 2007 shortly before its shots were due and the license came up for renewal. When I placed the dog I told the new owner that I was paying for the annual vaccines and license. I KNOW they did it because they were taking it to a vet I know and I gave my credit card over the phone while they were there. The new owners changed the dogs name and had it licensed in their name. I sent the 2007 renewal back as having given the dog away. I got a 2008 renewal form that I ended up just throwing away.

     

    Frankly I do not think they know what dogs are out there and who owns them and what their status is.

     

    If they do not enforce county license laws, what makes anyone think they will be able to enforce this? I could have gone without licensing my dogs for 20 years and never been caught. Those that are irresponsible will fly right under the radar as they already do.