Sadly...another dog attack

maizysmom

You do have time to argue though, don't you!

Yep, cause that's fun.

It may be fun in your eyes, but there's no need to be rude.

I rather think saying people who have kids shouldn't have pit bulls is very rude...but what do I know...

maizysmom

Yes you're right, so why do I get attacked for my opinion?I did not attack the breed and certain ones take it out of context and get their feathers ruffled because the discussion is about a pitbull.If it was about a beagle,I'm sure all the beagle owners wouldn't be jumping down my throat!It just seems certain individuals need to chill out and just take this as a discussion, not an argument.

I don't see anyone attacking you.  People are disagreeing with you, but that is not the same as attacking.  I certainly am not attacking you, and I am a pit bull owner.  As a matter of fact, I think there are only two pit bull owners who have even posted on this thread.  I highly doubt that Rats, Chelsea and I have caused a mass exodus of forum members.      

maizysmom

And for that matter why did the person bring up this story---nothing was mentioned on her part about an irresponsable owner----it was brought up because it was a pitbull.    For the most part, the majority of people here are very civil and helpful, and can discuss things in a kindly matter. It's people like you and certain others who give this site site a negative attitude. I've seen many people join here only to leave because of sarcastic comments and certain rude people.

Actually, the OP stated her reasons for posting the article earlier: "My original intent was not to attack the breed that was mentioned in this news article, it was to point out that people who own dogs, that perhaps should not be around children, or should be supervised more heavily....."

I said if you are an irresponsable person who can't take care of their own kids, let alone a dog, shouldn't own a dog---no matter what breed it is.  Why respond to a thread if it always turns into an argument? People's feelings get hurt, things are said that shouldn't be said----what's the sense?   I've said this before and I'll say it again,I don't hate pitbulls, but that was the dog in the article and that's why I said pitbull   We all agree, you cannot trust any breed, even if it is being watched.  I meant no harm to anyone, and I was not looking for any apologizes. I just don't feel there's any reason for being rude, which is differant from giving an opinion.

Disagreeing with someone is one thing, being rude is another.  Apparently when you disagree with me , it's O.K., but when I disagree with you,it turns into all of a sudden, I'm being rude, as chelsea_b said.

Moderator speaking.

General request and observation for all posting.

Discuss the article...personal back and forth is unnecessary. Take it to PM or leave it entirely...whichever you prefer...but it has no place on this thread.

Disagreement happens...rudness does too...I see both in this thread...one is acceptable and the other is not. Stay on topic and stay civil or move on to another thread.

Thank you.

As as a APBT owner I know that we can often let our love for the breed over rule etiquette and common sense. However, Maizysmom I hope your previous account with a rude pit bull owner isnt the reason for the altercation in this thread. If you read carefully you'll see nobody has tried to be rude. They've only disagreed with your point of view.

Everyone please keep in mind that its hard to have a mature discussion online....you cant see people's facial expressions and its SO easy for things to be taken out of context. Not to mention if someone says something you dont like its is YOUR choice to ignore it.

-But if I could add my two cetns on this issue a dalmation scored WAY less on teh temperment testing then a APBT. The APBT was the breed of choice by Hellen Keller because of their inherant people skills.

I'm not saying that to be rude, I'm saying that because hopefully I can pique your interst to learn more about the breed

Please read my previous posts---I don't dislike the breed.I t just so happens that was the dog in this case. My point here was to stress that people who are irresponsible should not own any type dog,as you never know or never can trust any dog. I have encountered pitbulls and my husband sees them all the time at work, and he can't say enough about how sweet they are.  However, if a dog,any dog ,is always chained up or never given attention, it is bound to strike out sooner or later.If the owner doesn't pay attention,especially when you have children,something tragic can happen.

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I did read the previous posts....nobody insinuated you hate the breed, just that you had a false perception of the breed. I was just trying to be diplomatic but if your intent on arguing then I'm sure someone will humor you but I tried to bring a new kinder aspect to the topic....ohwell.

I could say you have a false perception of the dal, but ,oh well.  I have not been sarcastic to anyone nor said they should learn more about the dal,but I didn't. I merely said the owners should be more watchful and everyone thinks I'm calling down the breed.   Oh well,I also tried to hold my tongue and as I said before, this is why many have left.Just look back and see how many joined and after a few weeks have left.I remember one just joined and asked a nice question about dogfood. Some one answered her as if the food was junk and she immediately thought the person was being sarcastic. She never came back.I'm seeing more and more people who joined around the time I did, and many of them aren't nearly as involved in the discussions as they used to be.  I have a number of friends on this site, so I don't think I'm that argumentive or ignorant as one of you stated.This works two ways.I did not call anyone ignorant---to me that is argumentive and rude.

I think mnay people get caught up in the "my dog is perfect" he wont bite, he's been trained. We, as humans, forget that dogs are animals. They have wild instincts, animal behaviors. No matter what the breed, no dog is soundproof. Any dog can and WILL bite, I know mine will!

Many posts back, it was brought up that someone should ask my my opinion on dogs and children in reference, I'm assuming, to a previous response I made to this thread.

No. I do not think puppies belong with children, puppies of any breed - big, small, does not matter. If you have a dog, and later down the line, you have a kid - I have no problem with that, as long as you prepare the dog for the new changes. What I have a huge problem with is people going to shelters, infant in tow, wanting to adopt a dog. Now, I'm not saying those people are bad owners - many may be great! But the demad children place on parents simply does not allow enough time to aclimate a dog to his new enviornment, esp. a puppy who will require hors of training and constant supervision.

What happened in the article is tragic, but 100% aviodable. How did the child get out of the house unnoticed? That's not the dogs fault. Whathappened to provoke the attack? That is something no one will ever know, because the parents were not with the child. As stated earlier, pit bulls are NOT human aggressive, naturally and not all are dog aggressive. If you do not have the time to properly care and socialize your animal, then you do not need to have them. That's plain and simple, and I think we can all agree on that.

maizysmom

 I merely said the owners should be more watchful and everyone thinks I'm calling down the breed.  

That isn't what you said.  That may be what you meant, but it isn't what you wrote.  Rather than take offense, perhaps you should re-examine the way you phrase things.  If "everyone" misunderstands (generic) you, chances are that something isn't being presented in the best possible way.

I repeat: what you originally wrote and what you now say you mean are not the same. I am not attacking you for this. If you are interested in clear communication, I hope my words are helpful.  

What worries me about this incident....

The dog (breed irrelevant, as seeing I might need to have this disclaimer due to the onslaught against maizysmom) KILLED the child. Not bit. Killed.

There is something much more wrong with that than parent's not having their eyes on their kids every two seconds. This dog obviously had issues. We can argue till we are blue in the face about who's fault it was , but the fact of the matter is that a dog that will kill a child, for any reason, needs to be euthanized, and you can't hide behind saying "oh, it wasn't socialized, oh, poor dog..." No, I'm sorry. I draw the line at a dog killing a person.